Police Chase In America: - Page 4

87xfdriver · 04-10-2007, 07:52 PM

hell hath no fury as a womans scorn!

fmc351 · 04-10-2007, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 87xfdriver

hell hath no fury as a womans scorn!

Thus Ill never show my wife that post

Rodp · 05-10-2007, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 87xfdriver

Just wondering would you feel any different if it turned out to be woman driving?

...and acted in exactly the same manner? No.

Scott · 05-10-2007, 08:49 AM

Chicks take angry to a whole new place, if it was a woman I'd have pepper sprayed her too. /jk

**Bluepower** · 05-10-2007, 08:49 AM

"Rough men stand ready at night to visit violence upon those who would do us harm"

George Orwell.

One of my fave quotes.

Good on the Law enforcement on the video, and both in Aus and US for putting their lives on the line everyday for OUR safety.

Walk a mile in their shoes, IF you have the stomach for it.

DDXR6T · 06-10-2007, 10:23 AM

Jeez, People are quick to jump on the cop-hater bandwagon. His action's may not be justified to the extent he carried them out in, but if you're asked to stop - YOU STOP. Simple. If I were on the hood (bonnet - Damned americans) of a car, and a person was ready to do just about anything to evade/kill me ... I'd pump him full of lead too.

paule11 · 06-10-2007, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by 87xfdriver

Just wondering would you feel any different if it turned out to be woman driving?

Heard a policeman say that he would rather try to talk reason to a man with a gun than a woman with a knife

HLC · 06-10-2007, 04:53 PM

that was awesome.

T-BOOST · 06-10-2007, 05:09 PM

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Jeez, People are quick to jump on the cop-hater bandwagon. His action's may not be justified to the extent he carried them out in, but if you're asked to stop - YOU STOP. Simple. If I were on the hood (bonnet - Damned americans) of a car, and a person was ready to do just about anything to evade/kill me ... I'd pump him full of lead too.

Since when has anyone said they hated cops on this thread?

if you can find any posts saying such a coment i'll be happy to appoligize for this post.
All ive seen are posts saying they thought it could have been handle a differant way than killing the bloke.

Redrum · 06-10-2007, 05:48 PM

US police operate under different rules, different laws and a completely different culture of policing where they are authorized to use deadly force to apprehend criminals more so than Australian police. What most people don't seem to realize is you are judging them on our morals and our law. And on this they do seem excessive, even I was amazed to see the amount of shots they poured into that vehicle. But I can watch SBS news and see how the Burmese police operate too. Why isn't this being shown and discussed?

T-BOOST · 06-10-2007, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Redrum

US police operate under different rules, different laws and a completely different culture of policing where they are authorized to use deadly force to apprehend criminals more so than Australian police. What most people don't seem to realize is you are judging them on our morals and our law. And on this they do seem excessive, even I was amazed to see the amount of shots they poured into that vehicle. But I can watch SBS news and see how the Burmese police operate too. Why isn't this being shown and discussed?

Yes i guess it's just that it has shocked a few of us 'sheltered aussie's', as we dont have the same enviroment as the USA. As for the burmes police/army, it seems like an ongoing Tianimen Square (not sure of spelling)
and i applaud the Aus government for standing up and putting sanctions on them. It's not enough but it's a start.

Laminge · 06-10-2007, 06:18 PM

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...and acted in exactly the same manner? No.

Sorry offtopic, but that avatar has me reaching for the mortein or trying to flick the bug off the screen...

Rodp · 06-10-2007, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Redrum

US police operate under different rules, different laws and a completely different culture of policing where they are authorized to use deadly force to apprehend criminals more so than Australian police. What most people don't seem to realize is you are judging them on our morals and our law. And on this they do seem excessive, even I was amazed to see the amount of shots they poured into that vehicle. But I can watch SBS news and see how the Burmese police operate too. Why isn't this being shown and discussed?

Well, that's the thing...

I'm sure if it was a pursuit around the streets of Sydney, there might be a half chance that the thief is carrying a weapon but I'm sure most fleeing car thieves go reasonably quietly once they've got nowhere to go.

The US is a whole different kettle of fish, the thief could be carrying a wide variety of arsenal and have little to no hesitation in using it if cornered.

Watch an episode of Motorway Patrol and Cops back to back. Watch how both of them approach a vehicle. It's night and day for one reason only, the risk that each of them are under when they approach an unknown vehicle.

Rodp · 06-10-2007, 07:11 PM

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Sorry offtopic, but that avatar has me reaching for the mortein or trying to flick the bug off the screen...

And yours scares the bejesus out of me.

fmc351 · 06-10-2007, 07:39 PM

Seriously, watch this clip if you havent already. It was posted by Hoon69 already, its a different situation, but reveals just what the US deal with.

5 minutes of pretty mundane, the last 10 seconds is where its at. It is disgraceful what they have to deal with. Not that I would, but if was a cop in the US, I doubt Id ever holster the weapon. Imagine approaching the car of some tweaker, eyes twitching, he knows he is going to jail, his hands not in sight, and unwilling or too incoherent to hear your commands in a society saturated with hand guns and tech 9's.

Ohio XB · 07-10-2007, 02:01 AM

I am coming late to this so I just read the first and last pages. Forgive me if I missed something in between that counters my comments.

Rodp, you seem to have a handle on things.

fmc 351, thanks for the link. That is a real case scenario that is the reason for Police Officers here to be extremely cautious at all times.

Referring back to the first page, the cop cars here are usually Ford Crown Victorias. The engine would be a 4.6L modular engine but I don't know what performance level.

When an officer approaches any car here the driver could have 50 pounds of crack in the car, knowing this would cause life in prison for him. He may be willing to shoot the cop as easy as sneazing. He/she may have a small arsenal in the car. This is why whenever an idiot flees the police the officers have to treat the event as a worse case scenario for their own protection.

The law is when an officers orders you to stop you MUST do this. Action beyond this on the suspect's part is either fleeing or aggression towards the officer, possibly with the intent to kill.

The first time the criminal in the video was stopped and officers got out of their cars to surround the suspect's vehicle they were all put in danger by the suspect fleeing once again. He may have come close to running over another officer whether intentional or not. We can't see that in the video. This demonstrates that the suspect is desperate to not be caught and that there is most likely other illegal activity that this person is engaged in that is most likely even more serious than a mere traffic violation.

The suspect drove at high speed through town in an attempt to evade police. This is why the officer said he was going to take him out, as mentioned by someone else a reference to the PIT manuever. Luckily this was taking place in the wee hours of the morning when traffic was minimal.

The suspect was stopped a couple more times with the officer's vehicles and the suspect continued to attempt to get away, which if he had the last time you don't know to what measures would have been taken to keep from being apprehended.

As far as the officer on the bonnet shooting so many times, there is something we cannot know. Someone mentioned that the suspect driver was moving around in the car as he was being shot. The officer may have figured he was reaching for a weapon to return fire. It is also likely that the first shot or two didn't even penetrate the windscreen into the car because of the type of glass, the angle of the slope, etc. Perhaps that was also another concern of the officer. There is much that cannot be caught on the video that we cannot know.

When I've been stopped by an officer (Last time for expired license tag) I made sure to keep my hands in view of the officer and also told him I needed to reach to my back pocket to get my wallet for retrieving my driver's license. Knowing what they have to contend with I wanted to assure the officer that I was concerned about his concerns as well.

Steve

V3RSAC3 · 07-10-2007, 12:12 PM

i don't think he deserved to die either ...

i think he made a mistake running, and realised this, and then was petrified by the amount of police that had caught up to him, and his mind and heart would have been racing at 100km an hour and he wouldnt of been thinking clearly, then he gets a cop jump on his bonnet, this young bloke is sh!itting himself ... young and stupid does not deserve to be shot for it!!! .... as people say, don't they have tasers in america? what was wrong with that??

and as for shooting out the tyres! wouldn't have worked? yeas it would have, have you never seen cops :P

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TaraHymen · 07-10-2007, 07:31 PM

just read all 200 pages on this and felt i should add my bit. a few ppl are taking this quite personally.

1)no it's not the same as australian law but didnt a bloke in the north west of WA get a fatal dose of lead poisoning for stealing petrol a cupla years ago? yes he was a fugitive but they didnt know that before they shot him.
2)that cop jumping on the bonnet is entrapment. had he have not jumped on the bonnet, the driver wouldnt have attempted to murder him by driving off thus not getting filled full of holes.
3) if it had of been me on the bonnet i would've had a gun in each hand unloading two clips into him. may i add that they'd be them movie star guns that have 1000 round clips.

Scott · 07-10-2007, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TaraHymen

2)that cop jumping on the bonnet is entrapment. had he have not jumped on the bonnet, the driver wouldnt have attempted to murder him by driving off thus not getting filled full of holes.

There's an interesting interpretation of events.

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Boss 5.4 · 08-10-2007, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TaraHymen

just read all 200 pages on this and felt i should add my bit. a few ppl are taking this quite personally.

1)no it's not the same as australian law but didnt a bloke in the north west of WA get a fatal dose of lead poisoning for stealing petrol a cupla years ago? yes he was a fugitive but they didnt know that before they shot him.
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If the one your referring to was in Karratha up North, yes he had stolen petrol, and was also wanted for Murder.

The Cop did not know this and was talking to the guy, as the Policeman turned away the bloke king hit him, knocking him flat, yelled he was going to kill him as he kneed him in the head. Just before he lost conciousness the policeman pulled his weapon and shot the man dead! Sounds justified to me.

fmc351 · 08-10-2007, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TaraHymen

just read all 200 pages on this and felt i should add my bit. a few ppl are taking this quite personally.

1)no it's not the same as australian law but didnt a bloke in the north west of WA get a fatal dose of lead poisoning for stealing petrol a cupla years ago? yes he was a fugitive but they didnt know that before they shot him. What other factors could Police use to assess a situation I wonder? Maybe other antics, attitudes convey messages that Police interpret.
2)that cop jumping on the bonnet is entrapment. had he have not jumped on the bonnet, the driver wouldnt have attempted to murder him by driving off thus not getting filled full of holes. You may want to learn what entrapment is before using in an argument, you have no concept of it I assure you. Other than that, yes youre right, the bank robber would not be full of holes either if the Police got out of his way as he exited the bank firing off rounds.

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3) if it had of been me on the bonnet i would've had a gun in each hand unloading two clips into him. may i add that they'd be them movie star guns that have 1000 round clips.

Amazing.

Homer1 · 09-10-2007, 01:18 PM

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i don't think he deserved to die either ...

i think he made a mistake running, and realised this, and then was petrified by the amount of police that had caught up to him, and his mind and heart would have been racing at 100km an hour and he wouldnt of been thinking clearly, then he gets a cop jump on his bonnet, this young bloke is sh!itting himself ... young and stupid does not deserve to be shot for it!!! .... as people say, don't they have tasers in america? what was wrong with that??

and as for shooting out the tyres! wouldn't have worked? yeas it would have, have you never seen cops :P

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How do you taser someone in a car?

As far as I'm concerned that's just one less scumbag loser society has to deal with. Maybe if our cops were allowed to be tougher, we would get less losers causing trouble on our streets. If anyone hadn't noticed, there are more and more of them and they're becoming increasingly violent cause they know they can get away with it

Rodp · 09-10-2007, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Homer1

How do you taser someone in a car?

As far as I'm concerned that's just one less scumbag loser society has to deal with. Maybe if our cops were allowed to be tougher, we would get less losers causing trouble on our streets. If anyone hadn't noticed, there are more and more of them and they're becoming increasingly violent cause they know they can get away with it

Hear hear.

Watching Cops cruise around the rocks on some doco, and the doof doof crowd just yelling out abuse and cries of, 'you can't touch me' while the cops had to stand there and eat s^&t. There's something seriously wrong with that picture.

Watch an episode of Cops in contrast, even the most hardened crims address cops as sir when they're busted.

Mongoose · 09-10-2007, 06:47 PM

Yea Rodp, its true, if they were doing that in the US of A, there would be a SWAT team all over there *** before they could finish the insult. Too bad they didnt bring a SWAT/riot team over to control those twats.

TaraHymen · 09-10-2007, 11:35 PM

far out, dont dare have an opinion in here - especially if it's different.

i dont agree myself with 2/3's of what i wrote but it had the desired affect to see how highly strung a response it would get. u know you're on a winner when u have to quote someone and then systematically pick holes in every sentence just because it's alternative.

fmc351 - obviously u know so much more than i do and have a concept i dont have, maybe you could explain entrapment to me.

fmc351 · 10-10-2007, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by TaraHymen

far out, dont dare have an opinion in here - especially if it's different.

i dont agree myself with 2/3's of what i wrote but it had the desired affect to see how highly strung a response it would get. u know you're on a winner when u have to quote someone and then systematically pick holes in every sentence just because it's alternative.

fmc351 - obviously u know so much more than i do and have a concept i dont have, maybe you could explain entrapment to me.

This should suffice, straight from wiki...

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For the defense to be successful, the defendant must demonstrate that the police induced an otherwise unwilling person to commit a crime.

The key is unwilling... thats just an extra hint. This guy was willing, he was already running from the law.

Entrapment is much more likely to succeed when say an undercover cop as a hooker tries to get you to pay her, yet we've all seen stings like this on COPS etc which are successful, its all in the 'willing' part. If she walks up and begs a guy to pay her, its entrapment, if she stands there and makes herself available, and they approach her, its not entrapment. Its more complicated than that, but covers the basics.

I hope you dont think the defence applies here. Along with your right to remain silent, and a phone call.

[Tonko] · 10-10-2007, 10:24 PM

If he had've pulled over properly, he wouldnt have been shot.
What if he ran over someone you know? Wouldnt you be calling for his blood to be spilt? I know i would.
Before he did, I for one am glad there is one less crazy person on this earth, even if it is on the other side.