Police car burnt-out in bizarre accident!!!!!!

[Nostalgia]

Apparently the police in question were attempting to issue Chuck Norris with a infringement. The cop car got so scared it tried to bury itself which started the fire underneath.

[irlewy86]

:togo:

Let's all have a huge argument about the height of Police cars. Read the story again, they parked on woodchips, you should know when you park on soft surfaces you sink a little, in an average sedan that probably soaks up some more of the clearance making the hot exhaust sit close enough to the woodchips thus causing ignition.

Idiots

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by Rodp

Well it bolsters your argument to claim that you can pick one from so far away, therefore they must be a lowered unmarked (as opposed to a Holden driver who lowered their car). You're selling your skill short if you really can see an inch difference from 200 meters away with ~200kph of closing speed and conclude that it must be an unmarked.

I don't get fines either but that's not because I can spot an unmarked HWP coming in the other direction with extrodinary observational skills.

Seriously, submit yourself for study, we could have a real life 'Heroes'!

Its not the inch difference I see, its stance on road as a whole. It just seems to sit lower, and as stated in here by everyone, they do sit lower, even if only due to weight and sag. Theyre just ordinary observational skills, maybe you need the study.

Im not the only one who thinks that at least in Qld, they are lower. And at least one person who owns one, has stated the same.

[scoupedy]

It doesn't matter either way as police cars do not have to confirm to road worthy rules Ive seen police cars with bald tyres
They are a law unto themselves

[v8falconsrule]

ok while i don't really want to get into this whole off-topic arguement i can say this with 100% certainty- where i work purchased 10 ex- police falcons (baII) and commodores (vx) from auctions last year- ALL of them where noticably LOWER than a standard vehicle. now remember these were traded and as such did not have any police gear left in them.

now i'm not saying this is the same in other states but here in qld at least SOME cars are lowered.

Now as for the cop car inthe main thread it wouldn't need to be too low to start a fire, as stated cat converters run extremly hot and it would only take a stray leaf or similar to touch on it for a while to start a fire.

[Bobman]

Originally Posted by scoupedy

It doesn't matter either way as police cars do not have to confirm to road worthy rules Ive seen police cars with bald tyres
They are a law unto themselves

See I'm not so sure about this or the post Full Noise mentioned where Vic Pol cars are on permits and do not need to be roadworthy or comply with ADR's.

This is nonsense. They must comply with the same rules and regulations as a private or other commercial vehicle. If they were unable to be roadworthied, no-one would buy them and the police workshops would not waste time putting special mods on each car; given they change them over at 40,000kms.

The system in Victoria is a lease system. The cars are registered and maintained to acceptable standards.

[wodahs]

so if i get it right a car thats able to start a fire under it must be lowerd

gez me 77 f250 on 16" 4wd tyres did it (must have been real low ) and its quite a problem ip the farm with the other 4wd's , hot day - hot breeze - heat ( ignition ) source it can happen

[AC/DC]

So none of us have lowered cars then ?

If it was one of us who parked their lowered falcon over the woodchips would we be laughing ?

Typical how it turns in to a "cop bashing" exercise.

AC/DC

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by Bobman

See I'm not so sure about this or the post Full Noise mentioned where Vic Pol cars are on permits and do not need to be roadworthy or comply with ADR's.

This is nonsense. They must comply with the same rules and regulations as a private or other commercial vehicle. If they were unable to be roadworthied, no-one would buy them and the police workshops would not waste time putting special mods on each car; given they change them over at 40,000kms.

The system in Victoria is a lease system. The cars are registered and maintained to acceptable standards.

Perhaps do a bit of research before you post garbage. Quite clearly, Bob, you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.

I never said that Victoria’s police cars were allowed to be un-roadworthy. I said that they do not have to comply with ADRs. This covers them when it comes to modifications only. Their cars must me maintained in roadworthy condition to comply with OH&S regulations.

Below is a picture of one such modification where it would be illegal for Joe Public. Try putting a roof rack on your BA with a piece of steel channel bolted to it and see how far you get.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by Bobman

See I'm not so sure about this or the post Full Noise mentioned where Vic Pol cars are on permits and do not need to be roadworthy or comply with ADR's.

This is nonsense. They must comply with the same rules and regulations as a private or other commercial vehicle. If they were unable to be roadworthied, no-one would buy them and the police workshops would not waste time putting special mods on each car; given they change them over at 40,000kms.

The system in Victoria is a lease system. The cars are registered and maintained to acceptable standards.

Its true. What the actual setup is Im not sure, but they do meet different standards to everyday motorists. Its not no standards, just different ones, or at least exemptions from standards that would hinder their job. And while most people would jump up and down about rules unto themselves, well they need to dont they. Its not because they are privileged, its out of necessity.

Any changes can be removed anyway before sale, like the roof rack above. Im pretty sure you couldnt drive around with baton loops inside the car, but last I looked police cars keep the batons handy to the officer.

Im fairly certain, not positive, that they can break our speed limit without sirens etc, for operational reasons, just not personal or no reason. There would be guidelines they follow, probably fairly complex rules that can get blurred at times. And like any job, some would deliberately blur them on occasion and take advantage of the job, while others simply do so in error. They are people, and we all take advantage of our jobs perks occasionally.

If i was given an XR8 or Typhoon and was able to handbrake turn on the shoulder full lights etc, followed by a nice big broadside back on the road to pursue a motorist in the opposite direction, you can bet I wouldnt be taking it easy. On a personal level, Id probably be disappointed if the driver wasnt doing 140 or so and pulled up quickly too, gives me the chance to really enjoy acceleration if he was. That smile on their face when they hand you the ticket is probably more happiness at the minute before pulling you up, than handing you the ticket.

[rns-11z]

Under cover cop cars in Brissy are definately lower. I am always near the roma street police station and have seen hundreds of there cars. How ever with marked cars, i have only seen a few that were lower then standard. Just drive by the central centre @ stafford?

[Captain Stubing]

Lots of ideas coming out here, but they still arrive that way from the factory. No extra mods made.

Stafford is just a suburban station, the main depot is at Alderley (where the mechanical section is).

[P100 Ute]

heres some Ozzie Cop Car Sites where they have oodles of shots of Cop cars.

Unmarked cars.. Wrecked Cop Cars.. High as a Kite 4x4's... (have these been lowered also ???)

so from browsing thru there.. u might find a pic of a "lowered Cop Car" to bring some possible truth to all these words been thrown around in here about it..

http://www.inthejob.com/nsw5.html
http://www.auspolcars.info/

[P100 Ute]

always liked this car.. awesome motor...

remember kids.
Drag Racing Thrills... Street Racing Kills
slogan written on the side of the cop car..

heres the previous Tango 1 Cop car.. nice bonnet and pulling a skid in Newman

[HOON69]

Originally Posted by P100 Ute

heres some Ozzie Cop Car Sites where they have oodles of shots of Cop cars.

Unmarked cars.. Wrecked Cop Cars.. High as a Kite 4x4's... (have these been lowered also ???)

so from browsing thru there.. u might find a pic of a "lowered Cop Car" to bring some possible truth to all these words been thrown around in here about it..

http://www.inthejob.com/nsw5.html
http://www.auspolcars.info/

http://judd-nightingale.fotopic.net/
http://midnorthcoastpolicevehicles.fotopic.net/
http://nswhwpp.fotopic.net/
http://nsw-emergency-pics.fotopic.net/
http://www.inthejob.com/nsw5.html
http://www.auspolcars.info/

[Keepleft]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

I can’t speak for QLD, however, in Victoria, police cars aren’t technically registered. They run under a government permit, as do many other emergency vehicles.

For this reason the don’t have to comply with ADRs, so technically they can’t be illegal. So, they can be as low as they want and there’s nothing that Joe public can do about it. I wouldn’t bother getting into technicalities with government vehicles as they have well and truly thought about these issues.

The vehicles, for all jurisdictions and all government agencies - including NSW's new riot control unit, do comply in most fundamental respects with ADR's. Additional lighting allowances and exemptions etc is held, primarily, at ADR44 for emergency service vehicles. (You can see this ADR at the Comlaw site and download each ADR in Pdf etc).

At end of lease time, the vehicles are sold on and must comply with the NVS - National Vehicle Standards, basically these NVS are post ADR.


Here is an unrelated video for your amusement; road rage in Turkey:-
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b55_1183864914

[Kryton]

Originally Posted by Keepleft

road rage in Turkey:-
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b55_1183864914

or Noble Park

[MrEL]

I have never read so much BS as I have in this thread alone!
Full noise. The roof racks in question are on the roof. The sharp metal edges you claim are illegal are under the lights and are not in the dangerous protusions section of the vehicle to be a concern with ADRs ect. Geez my company ute has full ladder racks that stop at the top of the windscreen with extension ladders on them. Are not illegal and pass rego every year.
Cop cars are not lowered any more then a standard XR8 , SS ect. If they were modded in anyway they would go back to the good old days where they just had standard falcons for the cheap price and then modded them up. Does anyone remember the XE HWP cars? Vinyl interior and floor , no aircon or power steer but a Fairmont Ghia front.
If the cops lowered their cars illegally the can of worms that would be opened if they had an accident and someone got killed would be incrediable! They still have OH&S to follow and duty of care to the public. It just would not happen.
They use XR8's and SS's now cause they are setup sports orintated from the factory and have a higher resale value. They are totally bog standard cars except for an Optima battery and a bigger alternator.
The amount of crap posted ont his site lately sometimes I have to stop and check that I have not logged onto Street Commodores!

[Kryton]

Originally Posted by MrEL

They still have OH&S to follow and duty of care to the public. It just would not happen.

care to explain to us how a police car with the radar unit mount HALF WAY DOWN THE BONNET on the FRONT RIGHT GUARD is still legal and follows OH&S requirements and is safe to pedestrians?
it does "just happen".
take 3 seconds to read KEEPLEFT's post before you start spurting your own crap.
dont complain about B.S threads and people posting crap when you yourself are no more informed.

[Bobman]

Originally Posted by AC/DC

Typical how it turns in to a "cop bashing" exercise.

It's not cop bashing as such, just dealing with facts. Go over to upholdtheright.com or other police forums and you'll see almost every thread dedicated to "civilian bashing" or "wipe off 5" propaganda.

Originally Posted by Full Noise

For this reason the don’t have to comply with ADRs, so technically they can’t be illegal. So, they can be as low as they want and there’s nothing that Joe public can do about it. I wouldn’t bother getting into technicalities with government vehicles as they have well and truly thought about these issues.

That's what I was hinting at with me earlier reply. No need to get hostile or accuse me of talking garbage. So at least we agree that police cars do have to be roadworthy. Point taken with the rest of your reply.

Originally Posted by fmc351

Im fairly certain, not positive, that they can break our speed limit without sirens etc, for operational reasons, just not personal or no reason. There would be guidelines they follow, probably fairly complex rules that can get blurred at times. And like any job, some would deliberately blur them on occasion and take advantage of the job, while others simply do so in error. They are people, and we all take advantage of our jobs perks occasionally.

Good reply mate. One notable personal situation in Melbourne was to deliver a footy player from a certain inner city hospital to the Docklands stadium, a couple of years ago. Unmarked police vehicle with lights and sirens. The officer was obviously asked to "please explain" and it made it into the media.

Most GD cars in Melbourne you'll see behave a bit more tame than their TMU cousins; whom make the most of the vehicles they have.

To stay on topic though. There were a number of AU Falcon police cars here in Vic which had raised suspension. They were probably based at country stations though but sat higher than a standard Forte at the time.

[MrEL]

Originally Posted by davway

care to explain to us how a police car with the radar unit mount HALF WAY DOWN THE BONNET on the FRONT RIGHT GUARD is still legal and follows OH&S requirements and is safe to pedestrians?
it does "just happen".
take 3 seconds to read KEEPLEFT's post before you start spurting your own crap.
dont complain about B.S threads and people posting crap when you yourself are no more informed.

Where are they mounted halfway down the bonnet fool? They are mounted on the roof on the right hand side above the back window.

If you are refering to Fullnoise's picture like I was it is clearly there on the roof as well.

Use your brains and read the ADR's and vehicle technical bulletins. Providing it all falls within the prescribed measurements and passes the "sphere test" and has no sharp edges ect you can put what ever you want on the bonnet.

But you probably call a car fitted with a set of mags as heavily modified so have no idea on what is and is not actually legal.

Who is no more informed ?

[Kryton]

Originally Posted by MrEL

Where are they mounted halfway down the bonnet fool? They are mounted on the roof on the right hand side above the back window.

if you want to take it to a personal level, im more than happy to lower myself to name calling.
if not, grow the up.

anyway, the unmarked highway patrol car here in WARRNAMBOOL (and i invite anyone that lives in WARRNAMBOOL to confirm this - just to show you that you are the uninformed) has the radar mounted half way down the bonnet on the front right guard.
its a BLACK VE SS too incase you want to ring the local Warrnambool police station and ask them.
let me know if you want to be proven wrong and ill even provide you with their phone number.

use your own brians and think before you post again about something you obviously dont know too much about.

keep up the personal attacks and your stay WILL be short.

[MrEL]

davway
I believe you started making it personal when you claim I was spurting crap. I never pointed the finger at anyone in particular but you did.
So my stay will be short hey? I am shaking in my boots. Who are you anyway may I ask?

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by MrEL

The roof racks in question are on the roof. The sharp metal edges you claim are illegal are under the lights and are not in the dangerous protusions section of the vehicle to be a concern with ADRs ect. Geez my company ute has full ladder racks that stop at the top of the windscreen with extension ladders on them. Are not illegal and pass rego every year.

You sir are so full of it, I suggest you lose some weight very quickly.

I went through all this BS three and a half years ago when I was defected for a rear spoiler on a ute that I had at the time. There are so many inconsistencies with the law regarding dangerous protrusions it isn’t funny. I was going to take Vicroads to court over the issue. How the hell did you think I found out about the legalities of police vehicles, you clown.

You still see glazier's utes driving around with dangerous protrusions (including sections of broken glass attached to the side of their vehicles), you still see turkeys with their fishing rod holders mounted to the bull bars of their big 4WDs. If you wanted to get technical, just about every tradesman’s vehicle could be defected for some type of dangerous protrusion. One of the issues with many of these vehicles is that they tend to be modified after the vehicle is registered, so Vicroads rarely ever see them.

If you think that a piece of steel angle is so safe, why don’t you stand in front of one of these cars at 60 km/h and do us all a favour.

Love and kisses