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Old 22-12-2009, 06:53 PM   #1
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Future of Toyota’s Altona engine plant – and 300 jobs – hanging on head office talks

22 December 2009

By RON HAMMERTON

THE fate of Toyota Australia’s engine plant is hanging in the balance as local management negotiates with head office in Japan for the necessary investment to re-tool for a new-generation engine for the next locally-made Camry by 2012.

Australian senior executives of the world’s biggest car company are tense over the state of negotiations, which will decide the future of the 31-year-old engine factory that sits alongside the Toyota car assembly plant at Altona, in Victoria.

“I understand the engine plant decision is still pending,” one Toyota senior executive told GoAuto. “Apart from that, I can’t say anything.”

Toyota Australia spokesman Glenn Campbell today told GoAuto that the company was doing everything it could to secure investment for the engine project.

He said the impact of the global financial crisis and excess capacity (at Toyota plants) had made securing new investments more difficult.

Mr Campbell said no decision had yet been made on the new “AR” engine for Australia, and timing was not certain.

“Toyota Australia will continue to manufacture the current AZ engine until the end of 2011,” he said.

Any decision not to revamp the factory for the new 2.5-litre four-cylinder 2AR-FE engine for the next, eighth-generation Camry would almost certainly doom the engine operation and, potentially, its 300 jobs, with the work going offshore, probably to Thailand.

The engine plant decision almost certainly was a subject of discussion at the highest level when the prime minister Kevin Rudd, federal industry minister Kim Carr and Victorian premier John Brumby gathered at Altona for the recent line-off ceremony with Toyota executives earlier this month.

The Altona factory last year turned out more than 114,000 2.4-litre four-cylinder engines for locally-made Camrys for customers in Australia and more than 20 export markets. Toyota’s exports in 2008 were worth almost $2 billion, with half of its car production going offshore, although numbers will be down this year.

The 2.4-litre engine – which does not meet Euro 5 emissions restrictions – is being phased out around the world, replaced by the new-generation 2.5-litre four-cylinder that has already gone into production in the United States for the facelifted 2010 Camry and RAV4.

That engine – developing up to 133kW compared with the current engine’s 117kW – is slated for production at numerous Toyota sites around the world, including Japan, China, Taiwan and Thailand. The latter is thought to be the most likely alternative source for the new engine for Australian-built Toyota cars.

Toyota Motor Corporation executive vice president Yukitoshi Funo told journalists at the recent line-off ceremony for the new Camry Hybrid that Toyota Australia would need to work with Thailand to maximise export and manufacturing opportunities.

In August, GM Holden closed its Australian four-cylinder engine plant with the cost of 500 jobs, although it still has its newer six-cylinder factory building the Alloytec V6 for Commodore and export markets.

The long-term future of Ford Australia’s engine plant at Geelong is also clouded, although the company gave it at least a temporary reprieve when it decided to build a revised version of its venerable inline six instead of importing a V6 – for now.

The Toyota engine plant future has been up for discussion since at least 2008 when Toyota spokesman Peter Griffin told GoAuto that the fate of the facility would be known within a year.

It is now 18 months since that statement, and production start-up for the next generation Camry is as little as 18 months away.

Toyota Australia will be arguing that any decision to shut local engine production would severely damage the viability of Toyota manufacturing in this country.

It would drive up the imported content of the Camry, which at the moment is restricted to high-tech components such as transmissions and electronics.

A decision to invest in local 2.5-litre engine production at Altona might also open the door to building the internal combustion part of the hybrid powertrain for the next generation Camy Hybrid that Toyota Australia hopes to make.

GoAuto understands the hybrid powertrain – which has both petrol and electric motors – will be upgraded from the current 2.4-litre Atkinson cycle engine to the new 2.5-litre Atkinson cycle unit in the next Camry.

That might also open up opportunities for Australian government aid under the federal government’s $1.3 billion green car innovation fund.

Alternatives to making the Camry engine in Australia are difficult to see. Toyota phased out Corolla four-cylinder engine production in this country after it switched to imports for its top-selling small car in late 2001. It also imports the 3.5-litre V6 for its slow-selling Aurion.

A business case for returning either of these or, indeed, any other engine would be difficult to make.

However, Toyota is renowned for its endeavours to not take a backward step on its production bases around the world. When it was forced to take the unprecedented step to shut the Californian factory it shared with General Motors this year after the latter pulled out, leaving its Japanese partner in the lurch, Toyota grieved.

In Australia, when demand for its local products fell as a consequence of the global financial crisis, Toyota Australia did not lay off one worker, instead giving its idle “team members” added skills training on “down days”.

Toyota will also be mindful of the loss of face with the Australian government after much hoopla from prime minister Kevin Rudd – who recently visited Toyota’s headquarters in Nagoya, Japan, and then drove the first Camry Hybrid off the production line in Australia – and a $35 million grant to help fund the development of the Camry Hybrid.

The Victorian government, which has also contributed to Toyota Australia development coffers, also will be keen to see the best outcome for the plant.

Toyota’s Altona facility – which includes a foundry, panel stamping plant, paint shop and assembly lines, as well as the engine plant – employs about 3500 workers and injects hundreds of million of dollars into the Australian economy via wages and component purchases.

The engine plant became the first Toyota manufacturing facility at the greenfield Altona site, in Melbourne’s inner west, in 1978.

The car assembly began its transfer from the old Port Melbourne factory when Corolla production shifted across the Yarra River to Altona in 1995, being joined by Camry a year later.
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Old 22-12-2009, 07:02 PM   #2
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Nice link. Thanks.

Certainly hope that the Toyota engine plant keeps making engines here in Australia. We need all the manufacturing that we can get.

Also noted this:

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It also imports the 3.5-litre V6 for its slow-selling Aurion
Is it just me, or is GoAuto putting the boot into alot of the Aussie operations?
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Old 22-12-2009, 08:35 PM   #3
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Sounds like the biggest Bag out on the whole Oz auto industry.
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Old 22-12-2009, 09:46 PM   #4
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media seems to have a thing about making sure we dont have any aussie made cars full stop.

im really getting over the bashing of aussie made products, we live in the friggen country why cant they be PROUD to have well produced cars here, keeping aussie family's employed.

yes its a toyota camry but its someones family, and they do regardless of if you bleed blue blood make a great fleet car, the more aussie production/input/design the better, thats alot of people employed not just factory workers.
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Old 22-12-2009, 09:53 PM   #5
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I call BS on Toyota's part.

It's just another play for some extra $$$ from our elected reps in Canberra and Spring Street.

Worst part is, they'll get it so the state and federal governments can save face. 300 jobs will cost the taxpayer $30 million, then when the next engine is due it'll happen again, and so on and so on.

As for the media being on a thing against cars being made here, I agree with them. If Australian made goods cannot compete on price with those manufactured OS, it shouldn't be up to the government to support those companies, ESPECIALLY when the cash goes OS anyway. It SHOULD be up to the government to seed and fund research on and develop industries where we will be able to be competitive against other countries after an initial grant or what have you, not be the ongoing life support system for an entire industry.

I'll get flamed for that and that's fine. You'll start telling me how I don't care about x amount of people who'll lose their jobs and won't be able to put food on the table or whatever. What I'm saying is that the government should be saying to Toyota (and Ford and GM as well) that we make quality goods here and if they don't want to fork up, fine, we'll foot the bill to retrain these guys in industries that have a competitive future here.

And this coming from someone who loves his Australian (and American and Euro) Fords as much as anyone else here.

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Old 22-12-2009, 10:06 PM   #6
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Our strong Aussie $$$ doesn't help too much either...
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Old 22-12-2009, 11:21 PM   #7
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As for the media being on a thing against cars being made here, I agree with them. If Australian made goods cannot compete on price with those manufactured OS, it shouldn't be up to the government to support those companies, ESPECIALLY when the cash goes OS anyway.
My reply here is slightly off topic, but I feel I have to ask a question.

I understand the relevance of questioning the cost of Australian made products, but what is our country and our people going to do once all our manufacturing and related industries are gone to cheaper overseas places?
There's only so many people that can staff a Macca's, sell houses, be a tourist guide, etc.

The situation will be even worse if the climate change scenario being decided at the moment plays out against Australia's mining and energy industries.
No-one here will have any money to do anything, buy anything or own anything.

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I've PM'd you as it's way off topic
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With all the bagging we do of our local offerings, does it come as a shock more and more people turn to imports.
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Its simple really. Are Australian's prepared to pay more for an Australian made item.
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Old 23-12-2009, 11:06 AM   #11
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Goauto writes: "Toyota’s Altona facility – which includes a foundry, panel stamping plant, paint shop and assembly lines, as well as the engine plant – employs about 3500 workers and injects hundreds of million of dollars into the Australian economy via wages and component purchases."

At least they are stating the positives of local manufacturing.
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Old 23-12-2009, 02:22 PM   #12
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May Toyota had stayed RWD but did not do a clone of the Commodore it's Aurion sales might not be shriveling away, I hope this is a message to Ford with the Falcon.
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This same process would happen every time Toyota switches to an upgraded engine or vehicle. They would have to compete for the rights to build it against all the other countries that do. I'm sure Toyota would say its been that way since the engine plant opened, why should now be any different.

Journalistic sensationilism in my eyes.

I'm pretty sure its the same for Ford when it comes time to make a new vehicle, individual areas sometimes have to put in bids to make certain parts. The BA cylinder head is a good example, aluminium casting put in a bid but lost out to a Mexican foundry because they were cheaper.
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