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11-06-2010, 01:17 PM | #1 | |||
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Carpoint Article
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Ford looks to be on the right track with EcoBoost Falcon, I have been sceptical of lofty sales targets but it does sound like a ripper package. |
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11-06-2010, 01:28 PM | #2 | ||
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Good find Brazen! Actually a well balanced argument / article.
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11-06-2010, 03:13 PM | #3 | ||
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yes for a change t was a pleasure to read an article that didnt seem to rake ford across the coals dispite the superior product....looks promising indead.
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11-06-2010, 03:18 PM | #4 | ||
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Time will tell whether it will live up expectations.
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11-06-2010, 03:30 PM | #5 | ||
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would be good to offer diesel in a falcon one would think? especially in a ute?
good article none the less
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11-06-2010, 03:45 PM | #6 | ||
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I was skeptical of the 4cyl idea to begin with.
The more I read the more I think I have nothing to worry about.
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11-06-2010, 04:21 PM | #7 | ||
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It will have to be good though, ....a four cylinder??? Really??? Thats for motorbikes!
Six with a turbo works! Not so much on the fuel economy though!! Interesting article however. |
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11-06-2010, 04:59 PM | #8 | |||
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11-06-2010, 05:07 PM | #9 | |||
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An i4T with 175kW and 320Nm from 2,000rpm added to a DSG transmission will move a 1600kg FG along nicely. Certainly enough for the non-enthusiast and quicker than a 3.0L SIDI will move the VE. Excellent economy of a combined high 7s or low 8s will ensure attention, then add further tech like EPAS, Stop-Start and the numbers will look even better down the track.
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11-06-2010, 05:28 PM | #10 | ||
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1st Question..What is EPAS?
2nd Question.. Is start-start tech coming with the I4T?? This part is news for me.. |
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11-06-2010, 05:33 PM | #11 | ||
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yep the eco boost is being built with torque in mind from the get go, with the stop start tech down the track it will have to be durable too, it should be should be a winner imo.
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11-06-2010, 05:49 PM | #12 | |||
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EPAS isn't coming straight away. But is on the Coyote Mustang. So, it will come. In fact I thought it was going to happen with the latest update. My radar was wrong on that one... Stop-start isn't coming straight up. But read the comments about the ease of adding to a petrol opposed to a diesel by Macalarly when referring to 'future applications' in the article. Both of these 'techs' are goals for One-Ford.
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11-06-2010, 05:59 PM | #13 | |||
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IIRC Eco-netic Focus has diesel engine and Stop-Start tech. They aren't mutually exclusive, just perhaps not as refined together as a petrol combination would be. Eco-boost will also allow for flex fuel E85 use too. More ethanol, crank the boost add timing and the consumption difference is reduced for the output. Much better than a 3.0L SIDI will ever be.
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11-06-2010, 10:36 PM | #14 | ||
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A good read. Thanks Brazen.
Wow. Look at the diversity under the bonnet of the 2011 Falcon! Ecoboost 4, ~180kW 360Nm. LPG 6, ~195kW ~390Nm. Petrol NA 6, 195kW 391Nm. Petrol Turbo 6, 270kW 533Nm. Petrol Turbo 6, 310kW 565Nm. Supercharged V8, 300+kw 550+Nm. Supercharged V8, 330+kW ~600Nm. Adding to that ZF across the board is just class, but to have the DCT behind the EB4 would be the real winner for buyers. Having instant off-idle torque and crisper, smoother than ZF shifts would be a pleasure to drive, especially where average speeds aren't that high. For a company that's supposed to survive in a very competitive market - which is as tiny as it is - it's remarkable they can offer so much.
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11-06-2010, 11:58 PM | #15 | |||
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Only thing is it would compete directly with the Ranger.
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12-06-2010, 05:13 AM | #16 | ||
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Ford's credentials for picking diesel markets is in the crapper, they missed the diesel Territory by years
and were so very slow to introduce diesel Focus and Mondeo but completely missed the appeal of Econetic diesels in the market place until recently. Diesel Falcon Ute would probably be preferred by quite a few over an LILPG option.... I'd say Ford has totally blinded itself to the Falcon diesel market by continuing to puddle with LILPG (mostly cabs) and Ecoboost I-4 (US pressure), people don't buy V6 diesel vehicles because they are cheap to run - that's the I-4 TDCI. No, V6 diesel ownership is a status symbol and a state of mind... |
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12-06-2010, 11:17 AM | #17 | ||
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Is the Falcon getting the 2 litre ecoboost?
Everytime i see it mentioned it dosen't seem to anywhere enough power or torque. I remember figures of 200+ k'ws. Mondeo only makes 149k'ws.
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12-06-2010, 11:43 AM | #18 | ||
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175 killer wasps but don't forget there will be a bit of a weight saving with the all alloy I4T compared to the iron block I6 so it shouldn't be too bad.
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12-06-2010, 01:22 PM | #19 | |||
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12-06-2010, 01:47 PM | #21 | ||
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The 3.5L V6 EcoBoost is supposed to put out 500HP+ in the Raptor R for the next Baja race, so if you take a 2L version with the same power/litre, you're looking at some 285HP/213kw. So I would say the 2.0EB is definitely capable of 175kw+, with a bucket load of low-end torque to go with it.
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12-06-2010, 07:32 PM | #22 | ||
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What's with all the pro Ford media about the last few weeks? Have Ford done a Holden and payed some money on the side!? Very good article, and I hope they are right, I for one want EcoBoost to work.
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