Chev Suburban Vs Guard Rail

xalent · 25-09-2010, 08:29 AM

Apparently fell asleep, hit the guard rail end on, but, being LHD, was OK
Wow......

csv8 · 25-09-2010, 08:38 AM

Bit of Meguiars and it will polish up nice !!

gregsAUII · 25-09-2010, 08:44 AM

Wow!!

tex · 25-09-2010, 08:46 AM

Good griefe, that's horrific.

Lucky driver to survive that, can you imagine the noise in the car while that was happening, not a nice way to be woken up......

Note that the barrier does not appear to have the big rounded off deflector that our local ones do, designed specifically to prevent this scenario. I noticed that when we drove around Nevada and Arizona earlier in the year. Actually, I noticed quite a few things regarding the Yank road design, the barriers, even the signage that would not meet Aus design rules. It's interesting that it does have timber 'breakaway' stanchions though, rather than steel ones at the end.

XR Martin · 25-09-2010, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by tex

Good griefe, that's horrific.

Lucky driver to survive that, can you imagine the noise in the car while that was happening, not a nice way to be woken up......

Note that the barrier does not appear to have the big rounded off deflector that our local ones do, designed specifically to prevent this scenario. I noticed that when we drove around Nevada and Arizona earlier in the year. Actually, I noticed quite a few things regarding the Yank road design, the barriers, even the signage that would not meet Aus design rules. It's interesting that it does have timber 'breakaway' stanchions though, rather than steel ones at the end.

Err not all guard rails here have the rounded ends....

XR Martin · 25-09-2010, 09:14 AM

Happens in Europe too

geckoGT · 25-09-2010, 09:32 AM

That was a very lucky escape, lucky there were obviously no passengers either. How hard is it to round the ends like we have, makes perfect sense to me.

**Polyal** · 25-09-2010, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by geckoGT

That was a very lucky escape, lucky there were obviously no passengers either. How hard is it to round the ends like we have, makes perfect sense to me.

No doubt it would help but it in the right spot at the right speed and I don't think it would make much difference.

While in France I noticed they actually bury the ends under soil.

GS608 · 25-09-2010, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Err not all guard rails here have the rounded ends....

Was about to pull that picture out..look closely though it does infact have a rounded end on it..doesn't really prevent it

**DJR-351** · 25-09-2010, 01:23 PM

Rounded ends make no difference, burying them does tho....

Bobman · 25-09-2010, 01:28 PM

Heh. First thing I thought of was that AU2 Futura wagon as well.

That picture goes back about 10 years when the AU2 was still brand new. Probably one of the first few crash pictures of cars that I saved back in the day using 'altavista' ;)

montyv8 · 25-09-2010, 01:28 PM

anyone see that episode of crash scene investigation (or what ever it's called) with the commodore wagon that slid through the rail? entered passenger front door and exited the right-hand rear door. Girl in the front passenger seat survived.

Bobman · 25-09-2010, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by montyv8

anyone see that episode of crash scene investigation (or what ever it's called) with the commodore wagon that slid through the rail? entered passenger front door and exited the right-hand rear door. Girl in the front passenger seat survived.

Yeah, apparently she was a singer too. I think one half of Shakaya who had a couple of pop hit songs in 2001/2002?

XR Martin · 25-09-2010, 01:52 PM

Burying them doesnt help either, they turn into a launching ramp.....

Scott · 25-09-2010, 01:56 PM

Reminds me of "Boree Jack":

WARNING - LINK OF A HORSE THAT MET THE RAIL AT WEST WYALONG, NSW
http://acms.sl.nsw.gov.au/item/itemL...?itemID=390943

Brazen · 25-09-2010, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Err not all guard rails here have the rounded ends....

Actually from memory that happened in New Zealand not here.

Mad Maxine · 25-09-2010, 02:04 PM

I thought it happened on the Toowoomba range road?

351@GT · 25-09-2010, 02:21 PM

hilliers bought it and put it back on the road, still had a dent in the tailgate. there was a thread on here about it previous.

Thornie · 25-09-2010, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 351@GT

hilliers bought it and put it back on the road, still had a dent in the tailgate. there was a thread on here about it previous.

Yep was also mentioned in street machine years ago , said they left the dent in the tailgate as a reminder.

Boosh Brus · 25-09-2010, 02:59 PM

Wire rope guards are the way to go. Alternatively adding a crash cushion to the start of the metal barrier.

Actually not driving when tired/drunk/distracted is the way to go.

asusdragon · 25-09-2010, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Boosh Brus

Wire rope guards are the way to go. Alternatively adding a crash cushion to the start of the metal barrier.

Actually not driving when tired/drunk/distracted is the way to go.

I don't like the idea of wire rope either cars yes okay but a motor bike that would kill the rider.... Would agree with the 2nd thing though probably the biggest killer on our roads

MexicanBatman · 25-09-2010, 09:22 PM

I had been looking for that pic for ages that ford, about 5 years too late for my argument at the time lol

Wasn't that rebuilt into a show car?

**Revolver** · 25-09-2010, 09:36 PM

That is almost unbelievable. Far out. Just goes to show car vs guard rail, guard rail always winner.... So then what's it guarding?

davessleepin351 · 27-09-2010, 05:23 PM

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That is almost unbelievable. Far out. Just goes to show car vs guard rail, guard rail always winner.... So then what's it guarding?

Now That is a good question!!! anyone driven through the barossa lately? there everywhere, id rather end up in the field personally

Keepleft · 27-09-2010, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by asusdragon

I don't like the idea of wire rope either cars yes okay but a motor bike that would kill the rider.... Would agree with the 2nd thing though probably the biggest killer on our roads

No system is failsafe, but TL4 wire rope systems on freeway central medians have prevented many crossovers. The hysteria over wire-rope barriers is just that.

We have two primary suppliers, Brifen is one, Ingal another. I note a Brifen concern, The Danger of Prescriptive Design Criteria here:- http://brifen.com.au/index.php?optio...d=258&Itemid=2

In relation to OP's pic and others shown, there are also many other examples here in AUS alone. NSW F3 Wyong event comes to mind.

Referenced "bullnose" treatments are sometimes "Trailing Terminals" that in turn were an upgrade to old 'rounded' W-beam/armco end treatments. These are being replaced with a "flat-face" bolt on (the E2000 PLUS) that adds surface area, so we get less beam penetration potential and more deflection potential to the side. See details here.
http://www.ingalcivil.com.au/terminals.html

www.brifen.com.au

**TUF_302** · 27-09-2010, 07:43 PM

Now that's one thing that ain't going to buff out anytime soon lol!

geckoGT · 27-09-2010, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Boosh Brus

Wire rope guards are the way to go. Alternatively adding a crash cushion to the start of the metal barrier.

Actually not driving when tired/drunk/distracted is the way to go.

Any collision a motor cycle has with a deformable wire rope that is enough to kill the rider, a concrete or armco barrier would probably also kill them. Come to think about it, a collision with any stationary object at highways speeds is normally a fatal when a motorcyclist is the victim.

The benefits of the wire rope barriers for the majority of road users far outweigh the risks presented by that particular crash barrier system.

Like Keepleft said, no system is fail safe, except crash avoidance.