Reintroduction of V8 on FG Falcon - Page 2

jpd80 · 25-03-2011, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by eb2monty

Bingo. I think FoMoCo are weening us off Falcon.

I think the Aussie buying public are weaning FoA off the Falcon......

Road_Warrior · 25-03-2011, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mr smith

Maybe they dont want a factory in OZ?

I think they DO want a factory in Oz, especially with the way they (Dearborn) are rampantly throwing project and engineering work at FoA. PD and manufacturing are joined at the hip: you can't have one without the other. Well, you can, but one is much harder without the other.

What the factory makes in years to come is up for debate.

As for the XR8, the only way it is going to fly is if the costs and so forth are spread over another model. Like a G6ET equivalent. And don't give me the biffo about the amount of people who wouldnt spend that sort of coin on the n/a V8 when you see the numbers of new SS's and V8 Calais' on the roads - there are people among us who would quite clearly spend that sort of money on that sort of car without wanting (or needing) and FPV/HSV product.

P6LTD351 · 25-03-2011, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

I think the Aussie buying public are weaning FoA off the Falcon......

I agree, but why? It's not the public's fault. They were on board in the glory days of the 80s/90s when Falcon was number 1.

geckoGT · 25-03-2011, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by eb2monty

Can you elaborate on what you mean about the staff comment?

Ford need to start being proactive or there won't be a factory in Australia.

By that I meant that FOA have an engine plant, local content of a V8 (or some of its components) contributes to the jobs of those employed there, a crate motor does not.

mr smith · 25-03-2011, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Resurrection

Dearborn doesn't want a factory in OZ.

Correct, but as Buntz said they like our government money. All would take is the govt bailing out on manufacturing and you wouldn't see them for dust.

Must remember as well that Ford OZ is Ford Dearborn. Product direction and approval come from the top.

Buntz · 25-03-2011, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by eb2monty

I agree, but why? It's not the public's fault. They were on board in the glory days of the 80s/90s when Falcon was number 1.

It's because they have been let down by Ford. It's not the best in class any more... and dealing with Ford dealers is a nightmare.

That and Ford don't care to tell people how good the FG is.

jpd80 · 25-03-2011, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by eb2monty

I agree, but why? It's not the public's fault.

Not saying they are, buyers are telling large sedan makers what they do and don't want.
Mostly, it's something else like more versatile and fuel efficient vehicles in general,
This is why small cars, small SUVs and mid Sized SUVs are so popular today.

P6LTD351 · 25-03-2011, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Buntz93ED

It's because they have been let down by Ford. It's not the best in class any more... and dealing with Ford dealers is a nightmare.

That and Ford don't care to tell people how good the FG is.

Correct. And that's why I'm angry about it. It seems like it should be an easy thing to fix but alas, it continues.

jpd80 · 25-03-2011, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Buntz93ED

It's because they have been let down by Ford. It's not the best in class any more... and dealing with Ford dealers is a nightmare.

Without bagging out dealers, self promotion seems to be very lacking at the blue oval,
I sometimes wonder whether Holden got a double order by mistake....

P6LTD351 · 25-03-2011, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Without bagging out dealers, self promotion seems to be very lacking at the blue oval,
I sometimes wonder whether Holden got a double order by mistake....

**DJR-351** · 25-03-2011, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

I think the Aussie buying public are weaning FoA off the Falcon......

I will change that to what i believe is happening...."FoA are weaning the Aussie public off the Falcon".....

Ever since the middle 70's i have had them all!! Falcons, Fairmonts, Futura's, Fairlanes, LTD's, GT's, GS's.......Ute's, Wagon's, Panel Van's, Coupe's and Sedan's.....what's left??

The writing has been on the wall for years.....

mr smith · 25-03-2011, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Not saying they are, buyers are telling large sedan makers what they do and don't want.
Mostly, it's something else like more versatile and fuel efficient vehicles in general,
This is why small cars, small SUVs and mid Sized SUVs are so popular today.

Yup, me and my mates have hit an age where we buy new cars for both private or business use. No one has an Aussie built sedan. Dual Cab 4x4 popular for the blokes (Camping, trailer, boat etc) while mum drives a mid size SUV for the kids. Sedans were popular when there was one vehicle that had to tow the caravan on hols and cart the kids around during the week. This is covered by two vehicles in most families now.

P6LTD351 · 25-03-2011, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by geckoGT

By that I meant that FOA have an engine plant, local content of a V8 (or some of its components) contributes to the jobs of those employed there, a crate motor does not.

ok, makes sense

Buntz · 25-03-2011, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Without bagging out dealers, self promotion seems to be very lacking at the blue oval,
I sometimes wonder whether Holden got a double order by mistake....

Holden's marketing is bloody tops. The ads are great... and I mumble and grumble at their greatness. Secretly liking them. Is it a wonder it's the best selling large car. Or best selling car in Australia?

Besides the fact that GM actually support and are proud of it.

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Originally Posted by eb2monty

Correct. And that's why I'm angry about it. It seems like it should be an easy thing to fix but alas, it continues.

It makes me angry too. So I don't think about it... or give them the benefit of great doubt.

Road_Warrior · 25-03-2011, 09:31 PM

The other thing about the VE is this: it is not the horrid steaming pile of crap that many on this forum make it out to be. It is a good car, but many believe (me included) that the FG is better.

Combine having a 'good car' with great marketing and what do you know, you will actually move quite a few of them. At what price...well, that's a debate for another thread.

jpd80 · 25-03-2011, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DJR-351

I will change that to what i believe is happening...."FoA are weaning the Aussie public off the Falcon".....

Yes but who's holding yard and car park is full of unsold Falcons?
and Who's factory is on three day weeks because of poor sales?

Is Ford weening the Aussie public off Falcon with poor sales or is it the other way around.......

I'll settle for agree to disagree....

Buntz · 25-03-2011, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

The other thing about the VE is this: it is not the horrid steaming pile of crap that many on this forum make it out to be. It is a good car, but many believe (me included) that the FG is better.

Combine having a 'good car' with great marketing and what do you know, you will actually move quite a few of them. At what price...well, that's a debate for another thread.

I feel the same. It is a great car. But the Falcon wins on points.

jpd80 · 25-03-2011, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

The other thing about the VE is this: it is not the horrid steaming pile of crap that many on this forum make it out to be. It is a good car, but many believe (me included) that the FG is better.

Combine having a 'good car' with great marketing and what do you know, you will actually move quite a few of them. At what price...well, that's a debate for another thread.

Holden made the quantum jump and changed the proportions of the car,
the bold style and long wheelbase short overhang have really changed
the look / road presence of Commodore compared to VZ.

FG to BF II not so much, it looks nice but doesn't distance the past enough ...IMO.
In the end it's not what i think that matters buyers will vote with their feet.

Auslandau · 25-03-2011, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by eb2monty

Wouldn't there be $10 - $15000 dollars difference between an XR8 and GS?

That's like saying no one will buy an N/A XR6 because for a few grand more people can get a Turbo.

I was asking the question .... the same as what Ford would be asking themselves. Who would buy one when the other options are available.

For an XR8 to be successful it would need to be priced similar to XR6T $47,000. To put a new engine into the XR8 would take development ... the XR6 had the development done .... 10 years or so ago which was at the right time using an engine that was built here for many years ...... different times today and even different when FPV committed to Miami.

So many said when the Miami project was in full swing that they would sell like hot cakes, everyone here was buying one and wanted a S/C engine that would woop everyones **** but when it came to the crunch .... everyone went silent and complained about the wheels and stripes.

Dont you think that in this climate when the fastest car produced in Australia is struggling along with the whole Falcon range that Ford would be doing the numbers?

P6LTD351 · 25-03-2011, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Auslandau

Dont you think that in this climate when the fastest car produced in Australia is struggling along with the whole Falcon range that Ford would be doing the numbers?

That's what I'm afraid of. They're doing the numbers and we might not like the result down the track.....

Resurrection · 25-03-2011, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DJR-351

I will change that to what i believe is happening...."FoA are weaning the Aussie public off the Falcon".....

Ever since the middle 70's i have had them all!! Falcons, Fairmonts, Futura's, Fairlanes, LTD's, GT's, GS's.......Ute's, Wagon's, Panel Van's, Coupe's and Sedan's.....what's left??

The writing has been on the wall for years.....

Well said.

b0son · 25-03-2011, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by NAFairlane

the GS has taken the XR8 spot.....

would anyone what the monthly sales of the GS are? what were they for the XR8?

Bossxr8 · 25-03-2011, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Can't, the ECU doesn't support four cam phasers.... not unless you want the 6.2 V8 for a quick and dirty XR8,
300Kw @ 5700 and 560 nm @3500....from a truck engine calibration....

Its getting a new ECU with FGII though, which may do it.

SLVR GT · 25-03-2011, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Auslandau

If Ford release another version of the V8 ... (as there is already a GS/GT/GTE/GTP/GS UTE, let alone all the Turbo models to compliment these) .... how many would spend 50k's for an N/A XR8? C'mon now ...... not just talking about it on the internet but actually put there hands in and pull out a few thousand less than an S/C for a brand new, non demo N/A V8?

I would go a N/A coyote XR8 for a few grand less then the GS any day but that's just me. You can't beat a tuff N/A V8 in my books

Buntz · 25-03-2011, 11:21 PM

Turbo V8's are even better.

EcoBoost coyote for the win.