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Old 13-06-2011, 06:34 PM   #1
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Default 9 speed ZF auto

To all the people saying 7 and 8 speed autos are a dumb idea, here's a 9 speed ZF for you.

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2578AE00154189

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Old 13-06-2011, 07:07 PM   #2
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Thats AWESOME!!
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Old 13-06-2011, 08:21 PM   #3
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isn't nine speed getting a bit too much??? I remember the days of the two speed slush box!!!!
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Old 13-06-2011, 08:24 PM   #4
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half way now to heavy haulage truck gearbox's.. lol
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Old 13-06-2011, 08:27 PM   #5
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sounds very grand turismo , can see a slide on the touch screen with infinately variable shift ...will be very interesting .
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Old 13-06-2011, 08:29 PM   #6
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i hope we dont get them here , it was bad enough reverse engineering the 6 speed to calibrate
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Old 13-06-2011, 08:46 PM   #7
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i hope we dont get them here , it was bad enough reverse engineering the 6 speed to calibrate
...you think that's bad, reverse engineering it to build a competing 'box is a nightmare!
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Old 13-06-2011, 11:08 PM   #8
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It says with the 9sp Auto the car will be sitting at 1900rpm at 120km/h. My XR6 Turbo already does that with only the 6sp auto???
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Old 13-06-2011, 11:15 PM   #9
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They should just call it CVT, as it may as well be.
Seems pointless to spend so much money on R&D for xxspeed gearboxes, when there must be better ways to gain economy, like WEIGHT !!!!
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Old 13-06-2011, 11:16 PM   #10
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can you imagine a manual 9 speed, now that would have you busy.
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Old 13-06-2011, 11:58 PM   #11
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Default Re: 9 speed ZF auto

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i hope we dont get them here , it was bad enough reverse engineering the 6 speed to calibrate
Boo!.

It would be nice to have more gears. The ZF 6 speed made the auto Falcon go from sluggish to spritely.
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Old 14-06-2011, 12:13 AM   #12
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i hope we dont get them here , it was bad enough reverse engineering the 6 speed to calibrate
No need to worry as it's for fwd only. You will, however, be pleased to know there's an 8 speed in the pipeline.

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GERMAN gearbox giant ZF has unveiled details of the world’s first nine-speed automatic transmission, claiming fuel economy benefits of up to 16 per cent while offering shift times “below the threshold of perception”.
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Old 14-06-2011, 07:13 AM   #13
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Default Re: 9 speed ZF auto

It will be great, if you are having a race, you can now change up as many gears as the guys in Fast & Furious !
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Old 14-06-2011, 08:10 AM   #14
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Default Re: 9 speed ZF auto

Well, Top Gear will be able to do a story on this.

But what are 'Fifth Gear' going to do?

Just like that old Falcon Ute ad - 'Must have been stuck in 3rd'..... how fast can you go using a 9 speed tranny when stuck in 5th?




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Old 14-06-2011, 08:10 AM   #15
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Just get CVT's working properly...

We test drove a Suzuki Kizashi Sport AWD before buying the G6E, and apart from a bit of a lack of power (turbo coming later this year apparently), it was pretty damn good. When being driven in "automatic" mode the shifts were seamless and in "manual" sport mode, the shifts between "gears" were pretty much instant.

A tougher version of a box like that in a Falcon would give the perfect ratio for any situation. Not really sure why they are continuing to stuff more and more actual gears inside an automatic...
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Old 14-06-2011, 05:24 PM   #16
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http://appsprod01.zf.com/zf.productD...P_en_2007s.pdf

ZF 8 Speed - Couldn't help notice its rated up to 700 nm torque, very nice.
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Old 14-06-2011, 05:32 PM   #17
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A 9 speed transmission: the answer to the question nobody asked.
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Old 14-06-2011, 05:37 PM   #18
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Default Re: 9 speed ZF auto

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It will be great, if you are having a race, you can now change up as many gears as the guys in Fast & Furious !



Not many people like CVT's, they way they work makes people think it has a slipping clutch.

Some people claim having so many speeds is stupid as it will keep needing to change gears all the time, but if the shifts are imperceptable as they say, and it has the ability to skip more than 1 gear at a time I don't see the problem. Its all about fuel economy and reduced emissions these days, its easier and cheaper to replace and auto with one with more gears than it is to switch to lightweight materials such as carbonfibre etc. No need to crash test either, which would be required for light weight panels.
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Old 14-06-2011, 06:08 PM   #19
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Default Re: 9 speed ZF auto

Even if they continue skipping only 1 gear at a time, going 2-4-6-8-9 will have it operate as a conventional 5 speed. The current 6 speeder already takes off from 2nd so that aspect is a non-issue.
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Old 14-06-2011, 09:23 PM   #20
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The question i ask is do we really need it???

I dont see the point after a 6 speed in both manual and auto, plus the rebuild and service cost is abit rich................
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Old 14-06-2011, 09:42 PM   #21
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Default Re: 9 speed ZF auto

James May argues we don't need vibrating 5-blade shaving razors either. if the 5th blade gets the closest shave, why can't you just get only the 5th blade and sod off all the rest?

I agree with the CVT comment. I can't stand them - and they are setup now to have set points in them anyway.


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Old 15-06-2011, 02:17 AM   #22
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Nothing more than an expensive gimmick for the braggart's...

Just like the 3,5,10,22,33 speed pushbikes.....
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Old 15-06-2011, 03:53 AM   #23
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"It says with the 9sp Auto the car will be sitting at 1900rpm at 120km/h"

It'll be worn out already by the time it hits 9th lol...FFS!
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