Buying a car from NSW (i'm in QLD)

Eric A · 02-10-2013, 09:03 PM

Hey guys.

I've never bought a new(er) car with registration before, and now i'm doing it with an interstate car so i'm hoping to get some advice.

I need to know what documents etc i'll need to have ready for the seller.

The car in question is a 1998 Nissan Patrol (my new tow truck), it has recently had it's safety inspection and new rego, as well as personalized plates put on the car.

I know what I need to do when I get it back to QLD, but I have no idea what to do when i'm actually there. I can't bring rego transfer papers, because they're interstate, and the rego isn't transferred, it's cancelled and refunded then I renew with QLD rego.

Also, how does insurance work? Can I buy a days worth or something along that style for the trip back? Does the car need to be in my name for this?

And what happens for the time it's driving back. It's in the sellers name, however i'm driving it and it's mine (worst case scenario), however what about speed cameras, tolls, registration checking cameras etc.

I've probably missed a heap, but help would be appreciated.

FPV+fteT3 · 02-10-2013, 09:14 PM

The existing owner should cancel the rego and remove the plates before you pick it up. You apply days before you pick it up with the RMS thats the NSW rego dept for an unregistered vehicle permit to give you permission to drive it unregistered to QLD. You can probably also arrange the permit from QLD govt rego place you will need the vehicle VIN and current rego details etc.

I have bought cars from Vic to NSW using a vic roads permit without any problems. Get a cover note from your insurance company before you pick it up so its insured and you should be good to go.

Make sure you get receipt from the existing owner saying you bought vehicle list particulars for XXX$$$ both sign it. I had an issue with RMS over a receipt for a car I bought from Vic they wouldn't accept it, we both signed it and on the piece of paper receipt we had copies of our drivers licences etc...I went home wrote out another one signed it for the seller and they accepted that go figure.

Eric A · 02-10-2013, 09:20 PM

I rang the seller and they're happy to let me drive it home on that registration and let me cancel it/get the refund when I get QLD plates and registration for it.

FPV+fteT3 · 02-10-2013, 09:25 PM

Great drive it home and get the refund. No problem, thats not the correct way to do it thats why they have the permits. Wouldn't be suprised if when you get to QLD and hand the plates in you get nothing back after all its not QLD rego is it?

**fordomatic** · 02-10-2013, 09:35 PM

Being a patrol I would make sure the safety certificate is legitimate. You will need a new one for QLD and the last thing you wan is for them to find problems with it and then fork out more money to have stuff fixed.

Eric A · 02-10-2013, 09:51 PM

Yeah talking to a QLD bloke, he said he couldn't get a refund on the rego because of him not having a NSW address, so he drove it around on NSW rego until it ran out to get his money's worth, then re-registered it as a unregistered car.

Will make sure all is good fordomatic, it's got low K,s and little to no off-roading history.

EB# · 03-10-2013, 06:07 AM

A few suggestions for you:

- Get a PPSR check on the vehicle to see if any finance is owing
http://www.ppsr.gov.au/Pages/ppsr.aspx
- Sight the sellers drivers licence against the car's rego papers for a match
- Get a copy of the current pink slip (RWC) on the vehicle, if available
- Get a full written receipt for the vehicle, with sellers details, make, model, VIN etc and date/time of sale
(Make a copy for the seller too, as this provides assurance for them that you have taken
possession of the car at the particular date/time)
- Get your own 3rd party insurance (or comp) as a cover note before driving home
- Drive the vehicle home on the NSW plates and then post them back to the seller
- Calculate for the seller cashing in their own rego as part of the sale price

xxx000 · 03-10-2013, 08:35 AM

all as above by EB92,

you can't get the rego refund as you're not the NSW registered owner. Send him back the plates so he can claim it himself.

your receipt must have all details of the car such as VIN and engine number plus sellers name, address and also show date and sale price.

DOA4 · 03-10-2013, 09:38 AM

I agree with EB92 but if you send the plates back to the original owner in NSW would that mean that you now have to try to register it in Qld as a "new" registration as apposed to a registration "transfer"? Here in NSW a "transfer" is just paperwork but a "new" rego is a full car inspection (blue slip). For the $100 or so you'll save I'd rather just do a transfer (handing the NSW plates into QLD roads and traffic.).

MrEL · 03-10-2013, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPV+fteT3

The existing owner should cancel the rego and remove the plates before you pick it up. You apply days before you pick it up with the RMS thats the NSW rego dept for an unregistered vehicle permit to give you permission to drive it unregistered to QLD. You can probably also arrange the permit from QLD govt rego place you will need the vehicle VIN and current rego details etc.

I have bought cars from Vic to NSW using a vic roads permit without any problems. Get a cover note from your insurance company before you pick it up so its insured and you should be good to go.

Make sure you get receipt from the existing owner saying you bought vehicle list particulars for XXX$$$ both sign it. I had an issue with RMS over a receipt for a car I bought from Vic they wouldn't accept it, we both signed it and on the piece of paper receipt we had copies of our drivers licences etc...I went home wrote out another one signed it for the seller and they accepted that go figure.

If your going to offer advice get your facts straight and offer advice that is correct , not so wrong like yours is.
In NSW there is no need to cancel rego or take plates off a car when it is sold.
The seller puts your licence details on the back of the rego papers , signs them that they have sold the car to you , fill in the notice of disposal on the papers for themselves to put into the RMS to let them know you have bought the car and you drive away.
If they have personalised plates and they want to keep them , tell them to have a set of standard issue plates put on before you pick the car up.
Call your normal insurance company and insure the vehicle in your name before you drive it back.
In NSW the rego and CTP insurance stay with the car.
Take it back to Queensland , get your roady and register it up there as you normally do.
As far as any fines etc you get from cameras on the way up they will go to the person you have bought it off unless they put in the notice of disposal or nominate you as the driver when they receive them.
There is no dramas or issues with any of it and no need for permits.

FPV+fteT3 · 03-10-2013, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrEL

If your going to offer advice get your facts straight and offer advice that is correct , not so wrong like yours is.
In NSW there is no need to cancel rego or take plates off a car when it is sold.
The seller puts your licence details on the back of the rego papers , signs them that they have sold the car to you , fill in the notice of disposal on the papers for themselves to put into the RMS to let them know you have bought the car and you drive away.
If they have personalised plates and they want to keep them , tell them to have a set of standard issue plates put on before you pick the car up.
Call your normal insurance company and insure the vehicle in your name before you drive it back.
In NSW the rego and CTP insurance stay with the car.
Take it back to Queensland , get your roady and register it up there as you normally do.
As far as any fines etc you get from cameras on the way up they will go to the person you have bought it off unless they put in the notice of disposal or nominate you as the driver when they receive them.
There is no dramas or issues with any of it and no need for permits.

Happy to see you have vast experience in buying interstate cars and transferring rego, my advised is based on experience yours is based on what.....

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...car+interstate

AU3XSR · 03-10-2013, 02:26 PM

I bought a car from Newcastle 18 months ago.

You can drive the car on it's NSW registration back to QLD. I drove the car home on its NSW rego. If you decide to do this the order is:-

- Do a PPSR check
- Sort out insurance before you drive it back
- Prepare a receipt of sale for the car - copy for you and for the seller (both parties to sign)
- The seller signs the back of the NSW rego papers to say they are disposing of the vehicle

Once you get the car home:-

- Obtain a Roadworthy for the car (+ gas cert. etc. if its LPG),
- Complete a QLD vehicle registration application form,
- Sort out CTP if you haven't done so already,

Once these are done, pop in to QLD Transport:-

- Surrender the NSW plates to QLD Transport. They will give you a receipt for the plates,
- Register your vehicle - you will need roadworthy copy, driver's licence (for proof of address), vehicle rego form, purchase receipt (for duty calculation), CTP info and a means to pay the rego + CTP (they will charge you upfront for the lot)
- Once this is done you'll be given new QLD plates and a rego receipt and your car is good to go.

After you leave, use the plate surrender receipt with a claim form from the NSW RTA to claim back the unused NSW rego. CTP is to be claimed back separately from the CTP insurer.

It's very straight forward and simple. Good luck mate.

MrEL · 03-10-2013, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPV+fteT3

Happy to see you have vast experience in buying interstate cars and transferring rego, my advised is based on experience yours is based on what.....

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...car+interstate

What is the point of your link? It proves nothing.
My advice is based on selling many many cars with NSW rego on them.
Your trying to tell you poor guy he needs to get a permit and remove the plates to drive it back which is simply not the case.
Also to get a UVP in NSW does not require applying and waiting days for. You go in and pick it up over the counter. You wont get it but unless you have a current NSW safety check in your hand even if it is still registered.

EB# · 04-10-2013, 07:31 AM

From my research, both VIC and QLD Transport Authorities are fairly strict on their
rules for selling cars interstate. In these instances, they advocate that the plates must
be removed from the car and the buyer obtain a temporary permit to drive the car out of the
state to the new location. In VIC this can all be done over the phone with a credit card.
In QLD they raise the inconvenience factor by requiring the buyer to visit a QT office
and organise the permit personally over the counter. It is noted that any
temporary permit for an unregistered vehicle is always obtained in the state
of origin of the sale.

One can get around these issues by coming to an "arrangement" with the seller...
ie the seller simply defers the paperwork until the buyer gets the vehicle home and removes
the plates. The suggestion to post the original plates back to the seller
would provide them with a more direct opportunity to cash in the original
rego over the counter, without the buyer needing to go through more
(interstate) paperwork and red tape to claim a refund.

NSW, on the other hand, are much more relaxed about sales to interstate
buyers for a 'registered' vehicle. The rego is simply signed over and the new
buyer can drive the vehicle home to their interstate destination. A temporary
permit is only required if the vehicle has no rego at all at the time of sale.
Refer:
http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/registrati...gavehicle.html

Alternatively, an "arrangement" could be reached with the NSW seller such that
they could defer the paperwork and cash in the rego/CTP themselves once the
plates are returned. Such an arrangement as this isn't particularly necessary
as it's mainly designed to get around the temporary permit hassles that other
states require. However, it could also be used as a method of bargaining on
the purchase price.

In any sales arrangements the full detailed and signed receipt of sale is the
most important document.

It is noted also that vehicle rego is never simply 'transferrable' from state to
state. It is always a clean-slate start on any vehcile with a blue slip/RWC,
full rego fees, CTP and the usual stamp duty hit to the hip pocket!

xxx000 · 04-10-2013, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EB92

It is noted also that vehicle rego is never simply 'transferrable' from state to
state. It is always a clean-slate start on any vehcile with a blue slip/RWC,
full rego fees, CTP and the usual stamp duty hit to the hip pocket!

spot on, too many people wrongly refer to 'transferring rego' to another state

a rego transfer occurs when a car is sold intrastate and the buyer pays stamp duty and transfer fee.

establishing a new rego in another state is what this thread is about, yes it still involves stamp duty as the buyer must pay it somewhere.

refunds are best obtained by the seller since remaining rego would rarely cover stamp duty and transfer fee and still give a refund. Use the offer of sending the plates back to them as a bargaining chip, they'll receive a refund and it won't be subject to transfer fee and s/duty.