New Mondeo to Attack Camry.

[csv8]

"Ford has launched its first major offensive for its long-awaited Mondeo - attacking the marketing leading Toyota Camry.

The blue oval brand released the first major details about its Mondeo line-up, ahead of its launch in early 2015, and has taken aim at the Camry Hybrid.

In a sign of how aggressively Ford will pitch the Mondeo against the best-selling Camry in the medium-sized segment, its press release claims the new Ford will have 10 technologies not available on its Japanese rival as well as claiming that the diesel will be more fuel efficient than the Camry Hybrid.
The blue oval has confirmed it will offer both five-door hatch and wagon variants.

But, Ford hasn't revealed any details about the diesel engine, other than its claim that it will undercut the Camry Hybrid's 5.2-litres per 100km on the combined cycle.
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It did, however, confirm that there will be both petrol and diesel variants, both of which will be paired with a six-speed dual-clutch auto transmission, but is saving the details of those until closer to the launch.

In overseas markets, the Mondeo is available with a range of petrol engines including 1.5-litre EcoBoost and 2.0-litre EcoBoost petrol variants and 1.6-litre and 2.0-litre turbo diesels.
The new Mondeo will feature a raft of new safety and comfort features including rear seatbelt airbags.

The company also confirmed a six-model range, with Ambiente, Trend and Titanium with both five-door hatch and wagon variants.

But while engine and pricing remain under wraps, the company has detailed what safety and convenience features will be available.

Standard gear on all models will include MyKey (that allows parents to limit the car's capabilities), Emergency Assistance (which can dial 000), SYNC2 (the latest version of its infotainment system), eight-inch colour touchscreen and inflatable rear seatbelts.

Ford will also offer a number of optional safety features, including Adaptive Cruise Control, Forward Collision Warning, Active City Stop and Active Park Assist. Although the company claims these features are "not found on other mid-size cars such as the Toyota Camry" the likes of the Mazda6 and Honda Accord already offer several similar options."
http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/f...19-11pt4o.html
My comment : If Ford is serious about taking on Camry, then prices will have to drop. Which means Ambiente around $26k and Titanium around $43k the same as the Camry Atara SX top model $43k drive away.......This is price drop of $5k on Ambiente and $7k on Titanium..

[CyberWasp]

But will it have a soul

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

But will it have a soul

Irrelevant.

[zilo]

Tough decision...buy the australian built car or buy the imported Ford?

[NX74205]

Originally Posted by csv8

My comment : If Ford is serious about taking on Camry, then prices will have to drop. Which means Ambiente around $26k and Titanium around $43k the same as the Camry Atara SX top model $43k drive away.......This is price drop of $5k on Ambiente and $7k on Titanium..

While lower prices would be great, I don't think it'll happen. Ford aren't going to sell in the same volumes as Toyota, to think that dropping prices would fix that is just wishful thinking.

Besides, the Mondeo is a better car and worth every cent extra.

Originally Posted by zilo

Tough decision...buy the australian built car or buy the imported Ford?

Mondeo for me, because it's a Ford. That means more to me than where it's built. Mondeo is also the better car.

[esppwr]

I have a current 2014 Mondeo Lx tdci wagon as a company car and it is dry disappointing
1. Throttle response is non existant. 2 seconds of turbo lag
2. Front seats are rock hard
3. Ergonomics aren't great, particularly electric window switches and hand brake

I'd have a current model Camry over it any day and I hate white goods. How anyone can rate one above a commodore wagon is beyond me.

I hope Ford lifts there game on the new model

[malazn mafia]

A name change would be a start. Mundano and the ugly plasticky looking thing from the 90s still come to mind.

[csv8]

Fusion as in America or Cortina!!!

[mik]

The dual clutch might scare some away from the ford, that would do it for me anyway.

[zilo]

Camry Hybrid for me

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by NX74205

Ford aren't going to sell in the same volumes as Toyota,

Isn't the Ford Focus the top selling car model in the world?

[MickyB]

Originally Posted by new2ford

Isn't the Ford Focus the top selling car model in the world?

Exactly, Ford's name isn't that well regarded in Aus, but around the world they are regarded as making some pretty decent cars.

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Irrelevant.

Super irrelevant.

Like people who honestly believe the only important factors about a car are 0-100 and quarter mile times, in an era these days when, upon asking the dealer to open the bonnet of the G6E we were looking at to have a look at the donk, was told, amazed, that I was the first person he could remember in many months that had actually asked to even see under the bonnet much less ask anything more than "how many cylinders?", "petrol or diesel", and "how good is the economy".

[Giant Cranium]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Super irrelevant.

Like people who honestly believe the only important factors about a car are 0-100 and quarter mile times, in an era these days when, upon asking the dealer to open the bonnet of the G6E we were looking at to have a look at the donk, was told, amazed, that I was the first person he could remember in many months that had actually asked to even see under the bonnet much less ask anything more than "how many cylinders?", "petrol or diesel", and "how good is the economy".

my cousin bought a dual is coz it had a factory reverse camera, small things these days sell cars, funnily enough ford don't even have a reverse camera in a kuga

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

my cousin bought a dual is coz it had a factory reverse camera, small things these days sell cars, funnily enough ford don't even have a reverse camera in a kuga

I agree...people scoff at the car makers filling their product with "toys", yet that's what's important these days. Who cares what the 0-100 and quarter mile times are when there's a damn camera hiding in every second wheelie bin and highway overpass? Make it comfortable, reliable, pleasant to spend time in, and full of conveniences, and people will buy it in droves. See the popularity of "boring" Corollas and Camrys as an example...

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

my cousin bought a dual is coz it had a factory reverse camera, small things these days sell cars, funnily enough ford don't even have a reverse camera in a kuga

Kuga Titanium has a reverse camera.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by esppwr

I have a current 2014 Mondeo Lx tdci wagon as a company car and it is dry disappointing
1. Throttle response is non existant. 2 seconds of turbo lag
2. Front seats are rock hard
3. Ergonomics aren't great, particularly electric window switches and hand brake

I'd have a current model Camry over it any day and I hate white goods. How anyone can rate one above a commodore wagon is beyond me.

I hope Ford lifts there game on the new model

Thats not turbo lag, its throttle response issue and its to do with how the car is mapped, the Diesel Territory has the same issue, and so does my TDCI Focus which shares the same engine as your Mondeo.

I know its this because when they are remapped there is no delay on throttle response.

The new Mondeo will have the exact same issue as its carrying over the same diesel engine.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Thats not turbo lag, its throttle response issue and its to do with how the car is mapped, the Diesel Territory has the same issue, and so does my TDCI Focus which shares the same engine as your Mondeo.

I know its this because when they are remapped there is no delay on throttle response.

The new Mondeo will have the exact same issue as its carrying over the same diesel engine.

I've found that some Mercs and BMW's have the same issue.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Nikked

I've found that some Mercs and BMW's have the same issue.

People try and blame it on drive by wire but thats not the issue, as I've driven cars with drive by wire setups which have instantaneous throttle response.

Its the mapping, its probably emissions related or some form of driveline protection.

It can be up to 2 seconds on the Focus, even when you've got it right in the middle of your torque band while you're rolling along.

Drive a Mazda 3 diesel and it has no throttle delay at all, its a pain in the *** in my car because its manual, but some days its much worse than others.

[mik]

The throttle delay thing, do you think that might be an anti belch thing ? I suppose not belching diesel smoke is an emmision thing ,
I'm trying to think of a reason why they would allow such an annoying driving trait to be in these modern diesels, that's all I can think of, in big diesels 98% of the ones I have driven are without delay, some are almost like a sporty type of diesel engine.
perhaps it's a way of screwing the last ounce of economy out of these engines?

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by mik

The throttle delay thing, do you think that might be an anti belch thing ? I suppose not belching diesel smoke is an emmision thing ,
I'm trying to think of a reason why they would allow such an annoying driving trait to be in these modern diesels, that's all I can think of, in big diesels 98% of the ones I have driven are without delay, some are almost like a sporty type of diesel engine.
perhaps it's a way of screwing the last ounce of economy out of these engines?

Always thought the instant torque of the diesel motor from standstill would tear up bushes and bend tailshafts, hence the tuning for delay ?

[esppwr]

I'm not exactly going to get a tune on a company car, throttle response from factory is down right dangerous. I don't care what the cause is, it simply unacceptable in today's world.
They won't sell in number to private buyers till they sought it out.

[MAGPIE]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

A name change would be a start. Mundano and the ugly plasticky looking thing from the 90s still come to mind.

That's like 20 years ago, might be time to move on

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by MAGPIE

That's like 20 years ago, might be time to move on

Yeh time to move on from Ford vehicles after Falcon dies. Certainly won't be scooting around in a Mondeo. Wonder if people would buy Hyundais if they kept the Excel nameplate, if Holden still made Camiras and Nissan still sold cars named Bluebird and Pintara... Meanwhile Ford kills off its successful nameplates like Laser.

[BENT_8]

Whilst not directly talking new cars, we were faced with this exact dilemma a few weeks ago when my wife went looking for a newer car.

She wanted a reliable, safe, late model 4cyl with good fuel economy and big enough to seat 5 comfortably.

We ruled out Focus, Mazda's and corolla's as the rear headroom was too tight for our 6' son.
We wouldn't go near a Cruze.

When we were searching around we stumbled across a Mondeo diesel which caught her eye.
She also liked the look of the Camry Sportivo of same year, for the same money with less K's.

When we got home I did some research and discovered that whilst the Mondeo had everything the Sportivo had except the kit and 17's, and had impressive fuel consumption figures, nearly every review I read pointed to the powershift 6sp as a concern.
Reports said they regularly left you in neutral mid corner and were down right dangerous in certain circumstances.
Numerous electrical gremlins.

In the end we bought the Sportivo as the worst review I could find whinged about the urban fuel consumption which although we are getting around 9l/100k this is to be expected when its pulling around a body which also houses a 200kw V6 in Aurion form .

If Ford want to make up ground on a vehicle which is perceived as bullet proof, then they need to get serious about public perception, because a simple Google search can be a deal breaker to a well researched, prospective buyer.

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by csv8

paired with a six-speed dual-clutch auto transmission

massive fail, even before they start.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by simon varley

massive fail, even before they start.

Nope ...... it's fine and a Wet (NOT a dry) clutch version.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Barraxr8

Nope ...... it's fine and a Wet (NOT a dry) clutch version.

Ask Yellow_Festiva about the wet clutch DCT in his TDCI Focus, which shat itself at 68,000km or something.

They're bloody crap, leave them to F1 cars and exotics for now until they design one which isn't made out of playdoh and fails when you try to put 340nm of torque through it.

Originally Posted by mik

The throttle delay thing, do you think that might be an anti belch thing ? I suppose not belching diesel smoke is an emmision thing ,
I'm trying to think of a reason why they would allow such an annoying driving trait to be in these modern diesels, that's all I can think of, in big diesels 98% of the ones I have driven are without delay, some are almost like a sporty type of diesel engine.
perhaps it's a way of screwing the last ounce of economy out of these engines?

Thats probably a good explanation, as my Focus won't blow soot unless you really give it to it, and even then its barely anything and it doesn't have a DPF either.

It seems to be a Ford diesel thing, especially ones with PSA engines which are Territory/TDCI Focus/Mondeo.

My GMC Sierra had electronically controlled injection and she didn't have trouble at all with moving off the line and that was some rudimentary 1990s design.

Same with that Mazda 3 MZR-CD I drove, no delay at all.

Anyways my Focus is in for a dyno tune on Tuesday, so we will see how we go with throttle response.