Australia's Best Cars 2015. Only Ford ,,Focus ST

csv8 · 25-02-2016, 12:50 PM

Australia's Best Cars 2015.
http://www.racq.com.au/cars-and-driv...best-cars-2015
Hyundai did well. Hilux SR5 beat Ranger !!!!!!!!!

Wretched · 25-02-2016, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

Australia's Best Cars 2015.
http://www.racq.com.au/cars-and-driv...best-cars-2015
Hyundai did well. Hilux SR5 beat Ranger !!!!!!!!!

Saw best sports car under 50k? PRetty sure that is a Ford.

csv8 · 25-02-2016, 02:01 PM

I did say Focus ST only Ford

**Fordman1** · 25-02-2016, 05:33 PM

The Focus ST is brilliant !

**Fordman1** · 25-02-2016, 05:35 PM

Hilux better than Ranger ?

Seriously ?

The Ranger Woops the Hilux... really.

Smoke Pursuit · 25-02-2016, 07:18 PM

Yes my mate has a new sr5 and it's got nothing on the ranger....

simon varley · 25-02-2016, 08:53 PM

was the new hilux even available in 2015?

mcflux · 26-02-2016, 10:00 AM

Yeah I'm dubious on the SR5 beating the XLT, despite the Hiluxes having a fairly decent improvement between the old model & new.

For the higher spec models the SR5/SR5+ trail the XLT/Wildtrak on interior touches, gizmos/tech, exterior bling, power... But lower spec Workmate/SR vs XL/XLS are a different story (generally even playing field except power - Ford wins).

Some of the weighting in the scoring is odd too. For pricing there's 1 point difference for $1k between SR5 & XLT, but only 1 point difference for $4k between SR5 & BT50

Wretched · 26-02-2016, 10:35 AM

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I take these awards with a grain of salt, mainly because these 'motoring clubs' (racv/racq) target audience seem to be grey nomads and geriatrics.
I also question the qualifications and credibility of the judges, who are they and what makes their opinions the be all and end all?

Judges listed here (scroll down).

http://australiasbestcars.com.au/how-we-judge

Judge for yourself their credibility and qualifications.

**Silver Ghia** · 26-02-2016, 10:53 AM

I think its more the scoring system that they use may be questionable.

May suit some types of vehicles, but not others...

Reading the Hilux/Ranger judging, they acknowledge that the Ranger has got better performance and for towing etc, but they also consider the more modern interiors which appears to have brought the Hilux across the line first. The final points were close.

With this type of vehicle being a workhorse, it is far more important to consider which vehicle performs particular tasks best, and points weighted more toward the performance aspect.

simon varley · 26-02-2016, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by tempted

Never heard of any of those people. Just as I thought, a bunch of amateurs.

9/11 are white middle aged males. good demographics - not!

superyob · 26-02-2016, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by simon varley

9/11 are white middle aged males. good demographics - not!

What difference does that make? Questionable scales of 'equality' are hardly useful in a car judging contest...

**GasoLane** · 26-02-2016, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tempted

Never heard of any of those people. Just as I thought, a bunch of amateurs.

LOL, so because you've never heard of them they're amateurs. ?

That makes an awful lot of people in the motor industry amateurs by your standards then.

**GasoLane** · 26-02-2016, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tempted

Slight difference, people in the motor industry don't publish their judgements and opinions in magazines.

My statement still stands.

Because YOU have never heard of them, in what way does this make them amateurs ?

Trump · 26-02-2016, 02:41 PM

I don't even know why there is a debate, winning an "Australia's Best Cars" award isn't a big deal, winning the Bacchus Marsh Best Vanilla Slice award has more standing.

RANGEREST · 26-02-2016, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tempted

So why don't the judges write a paragraph or two about themselves explaining who they are and what experience they have in the industry?
All I see is a bunch of photos with names on them. They could be random people off the street for all we know.
If you are so smart then could you please enlighten us on exactly who these people are and what skills and authority they have in judging cars?

Wanna know who someone is? Google them, for a head start here's the first on the list
Andrew Forrest
https://au.linkedin.com/in/alexcforrest

**GasoLane** · 26-02-2016, 03:07 PM

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Wanna know who someone is? Google them

I'll save him the trouble.

The list of Amateurs...............

Alex Forrest ... Motoring writer in WA.
Barry Green ... Author and Motoring editor for RACQ.
Andrew Clark... Service Manager RAA
Blake Harris... Engineer with the RACV.
Lisa Luscombe ... Graphics Designer.
Jaedene Hudson,...Motoring Editor NRMA.
Darren Moody... RACT.
Greg Hill... Product tester RACV.
John Ewing...Technical Researcher RACQ.
Mark Borlace... Tech department RAA.
Tim pomroy... Road Test Editor NRMA.

**DJM83** · 26-02-2016, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tempted

So why don't the judges write a paragraph or two about themselves explaining who they are and what experience they have in the industry?
All I see is a bunch of photos with names on them. They could be random people off the street for all we know.
If you are so smart then could you please enlighten us on exactly who these people are and what skills and authority they have in judging cars?

Lol your a motoring journo now. *** your good...

malazn mafia · 26-02-2016, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by simon varley

9/11 are white middle aged males. good demographics - not!

Seems legit. Isn't Australia an ageing population anyway, with quite poor tastes in cars at that too...maybe one day Camry will make the top of the list, followed fiercely by a Hyundai mobility scooter in second place .