Now GM accused of cheating EPA !!

[ebxr8240]

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...-cheating.html General Motors has been accused of using a Volkswagen-style defeat device in its heavy-duty diesel trucks in order to beat emissions tests and bypass pollution regulations.


According to Bloomberg, 705,000 owners of Silverado and Sierra HD trucks sold between 2011 and 2016 fitted with the 6.6-liter Duramax diesel engine filed a class-action lawsuit against the Detroit automaker claiming the company used multiple defeat devices to skirt emissions laws.

The suit alleges GM’s defeat device allowed its trucks to pass regulatory inspections despite spitting out emissions two to five times the legal limit under regular driving conditions, a far cry from the VW diesels, which were emitting up to 40 times the nitrogen oxide pollutants allowed in the U.S.

[Trump]

This will be thrown out so hard, the litigants won't know where the pain came from. How did the owners of these vehicles suffer loss or damages...?

[CobraJet351]

Originally Posted by Trump

This will be thrown out so hard, the litigants won't know where the pain came from. How did the owners of these vehicles suffer loss or damages...?

I think it might be more along the lines of false advertising.

[ebxr8240]

Cheating a Gov dept ! How dear they !!

[Trump]

Originally Posted by CobraJet351

I think it might be more along the lines of false advertising.

If this somehow does go to trial and GM actually are found guilty of emissions cheating, the plaintiffs would have to show that their clients suffered a loss or damages as a result of the false advertising about the level of tailpipe emissions. And a potential loss of resale value won't cut it. That is where their case will fall over.

[GASWAGON]

Just heard on news that Trump has renegged on the Paris climate change deal that 195 other countries including Oz, China and even North Korea have agreed to be part of.

Pretty big news!

[lgpking22]

gm always bull****ted about there power figures why not emission to

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Trump

If this somehow does go to trial and GM actually are found guilty of emissions cheating, the plaintiffs would have to show that their clients suffered a loss or damages as a result of the false advertising about the level of tailpipe emissions. And a potential loss of resale value won't cut it. That is where their case will fall over.

If the reason they purchased that vehicle over another included emissions..... they lost the purchase price.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by b0son

If the reason they purchased that vehicle over another included emissions..... they lost the purchase price.

They lost the purchase price as soon as they drove off the lot regardless, due to depreciation. The resale of US-made cars has always been woeful in their home market due to the relatively low purchase price as new propositions.

[CyberWasp]

Sarcasm hat on....While they are at it, they should also look at their claimed engine outputs on some of their performance models....

[GASWAGON]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

Sarcasm hat on....While they are at it, they should also look at their claimed engine outputs on some of their performance models....

Reminds me of that Bathurst race years ago where GMH dropped the 7.0 litre LS3 into a new Monaro and got away with it.....It blew everything away but was probably about 2-3 litres bigger than any other car on the day.

Worst part about the LS engine is they're all still pushrod design so u gotta pull engine out to change cam if u want to modify.

[40RDT]

Originally Posted by CoolBFWagon

Worst part about the LS engine is they're all still pushrod design so u gotta pull engine out to change cam if u want to modify.

Pretty sure the commodore guys just remove the radiator not the engine for cam changes

[GASWAGON]

Originally Posted by 40RDT

Pretty sure the commodore guys just remove the radiator not the engine for cam changes

Ye and u gotta discharge A/C gas also and remove condensor too.

Aah the beauty of OHC engines!

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by CoolBFWagon

Just heard on news that Trump has renegged on the Paris climate change deal that 195 other countries including Oz, China and even North Korea have agreed to be part of.

Pretty big news!

Great news. The Paris Climate Change deal is a non-binding agreement, which has no independent authority to monitor compliance nor are there any penalties for those countries who do not meet the targets. Just smoke and mirrors.

But we digress...............

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by Trump

If this somehow does go to trial and GM actually are found guilty of emissions cheating, the plaintiffs would have to show that their clients suffered a loss or damages as a result of the false advertising about the level of tailpipe emissions. And a potential loss of resale value won't cut it. That is where their case will fall over.

No, you're thinking about the real world, not America.

The HUGE (and I mean really HUGE) difference in the USA is punitive damages. In Australia, (and probably most other jurisdictions) you're entirely correct. That's why people can win a defamation case, and get only a $1 in compensation.
But in the good ole USA, they can award Punitive damages, which as the name suggests is not based on any actual loss but is purely to punish the company. Furthermore, the damages are decided by the jury, so if you get them sympathetic and they decide to stick it GM, that's when the big bucks start rolling

[aussie muscle]

Originally Posted by Trump

They lost the purchase price as soon as they drove off the lot regardless, due to depreciation.

what are cheated volkswagens worth now? scrap value?