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05-01-2022, 12:07 PM | #1 | ||
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05-01-2022, 01:45 PM | #2 | ||
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89 consecutive years!
I find it a little amusing that GM had such a golden run and STILL went bankrupt. Also a little sad that Ford was never able to topple them in all those years. I had a quick look but couldn't find it, can I assume prior to 1931 Ford was the best seller with the Model A? |
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05-01-2022, 06:13 PM | #3 | |||
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05-01-2022, 07:11 PM | #4 | ||
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Another article: https://www.latimes.com/business/sto...r-best-selling
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05-01-2022, 07:27 PM | #5 | ||
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There is only so many times I can post a Titanic photo when speaking of GM.
There is a graveyard of car companies they have run into the ground. They can't manage or compete in any country in the world except the USA. When you keep backing yourself into a corner there is only one eventuality.
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basically cutting out what it sees as empty sales. And you’re correct, GM outsold Ford all the way into bankruptcy. |
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05-01-2022, 11:41 PM | #7 | ||
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There was an old saying "What is good for GM is good for America," makes you wonder...
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05-01-2022, 11:43 PM | #8 | ||
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https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...otten-feature/
They even tried something that I think evokes the Homer, in real life.
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06-01-2022, 08:00 AM | #9 | |||
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What is the average age of a ford car buyer in Aust. I reckon its quite old and eventually their policy of high prices and nothing afFORDable will come back and bite them. |
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06-01-2022, 09:05 AM | #11 | |||
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Why do people care which manufacturer sold most in USA? Toyota has been top dog worldwide for a long time. They sell, worldwide over 4 million more cars than GM.
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06-01-2022, 10:45 AM | #12 | |||
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Apparently, Ford has a plan to supply no fewer than five electrified vehicles by the end of 2023, I’ll believe it when I see it….. Ford’s strategy of higher pricing seems to be something that other carmakers are now adopting, it seems that the new norm of higher prices is to the exclusion of those affordable vehicle segments.. Last edited by jpd80; 06-01-2022 at 10:53 AM. |
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06-01-2022, 10:52 AM | #13 | |||
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Toyota has made real ground on Ford and GM since both basically threw away car sales to embrace higher profit SUVs and large pickups. |
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06-01-2022, 11:06 AM | #15 | |||
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Both companies’ profit comes mainly from those full sized pickups and SUVs, those remain strong indicating that Ford and GM are prioritising profit earners over ‘nice to have’ vehicle volume. |
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That's good for the bottom line in the short term, but I fear in the long term all they are doing is allowing the Chinese to get a foothold faster. Eventually it's going to cost them market share.
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it exists in our market to make profits with the vehicles it chooses and sometimes that’s hard for some to accept. What bugs me is that Australia can’t get any supply of Mach E to at least try something new… |
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06-01-2022, 05:43 PM | #18 | ||
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Technically General Motors ceased to exist in 2009 when they became bankrupt and were liquidated. The GM moniker et al has been carried over by a phoenix company which was created from the ashes of that time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motors...dation_Company The GM chairman is currently sowing the seeds of GM Mark 2 next bankruptcy.
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06-01-2022, 07:26 PM | #19 | |||
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"Bob Lutz, who took over the top product job at GM in the aftermath of the Aztek, has claimed that the design was presented to focus groups who felt about the thing the way we all felt about it when we first saw it: They hated it. Well, actually Lutz claimed that the market-research respondents said, “I wouldn’t take it as a gift.” So convinced were the powers that be of the essential rightness of the vehicle, though, that this didn’t kill the Aztek, either."
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But see, the Koreans don’t own the Aussie car market, just the bit the Chinese want, so they are the ones with the most to lose…
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Long story short, 1. the Volt was developed on a unique EV platform that shared no sheet metal or parts with high volume platforms 2. Part way through development Lutz decides to add a range extender gasoline engine to curry favour with GM board 3. GM was terrified of Volt being another EV1 so agreed with the plan 4. Horrendous cost over runs ensued and the EV envisioned as a $25k starter became at least $38k It was downhill from there with Lutz estimating that GM had to be losing $15k per car, so the less they sold the bettter, the only way GM could sell them was as super low leases with guaranteed buy back prices. Eager to move some stink off Chevrolet’s books, GM commissioned the Cadillac ELR and divided all development costs across both divisions even though the ELR was just a different top hat. To complete the fiasco Cadillac set the starting price at US$63k and watched the car wither and die with minute sales. The whole thing collapsed with very little production. The whole mess was written down as huge loss and as tax credits to be claimed over the next few years. Last edited by jpd80; 06-01-2022 at 08:29 PM. |
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I am sensing Dejavu.
Port Melbourne went into denial when they lost the throne and it appears from across the Pacific, Detroit is doing the same. |
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Volt = Delta? Not exactly, that was the main problem that Lutz explained in an article I read a few years back.. From memory, the Volt started out as a unique BEV design but when they added the gas engine, more money was spent to try and get some scales of economy with the Delta platform but so many changes meant everything was different. Here’s some extracts from a good article that explains a few problems: Quote:
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07-01-2022, 07:06 AM | #27 | ||
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While GM and Toyota are fighting over overall sales, Fords F series is still clearly #1 in the US selling 726,003 vehicles in 2021. Down only 7% on 2020 which is quite remarkable considering how they badly they were affected with the chip shortage and a whopping 156,614 units clear of its closest competitor in Ram and almost 200,000 clear of the Chevy Silverado.
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and clearly hurting badly due to chip shortages while Ford is recovering. |
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08-01-2022, 09:05 AM | #29 | ||
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General Motors has been a whole mess of trouble for a while now I think according to my great friend in Baltimore. He's a loyal GM buyer but he's disappointed with what they're doing and will be looking elsewhere next time , even to an Asian built vehicle. He doesn't mind Toyota these days but still currently owns an Equinox and Sonic from GM . Maybe it's a sign of the times and it was just too big and too reliant on a diminishing loyal buyer base with so many other cheaper Asian competitors providing alternatives . One day the F Series for Ford which keeps them travelling reasonably will fall away too and if that happens they'll slip too .
As Ford is basically a truck builder now (pick up trucks) and a few SUV's I suppose with their one staple diet car market Mustang is about it for cars. How much longer do you think the Mustang will go do you all think ? Unfortunately I have little interest yet in pick up's or SUV's of any type. That might change one day but not as we speak . I have about four to five to work yet before retiring (unless I win Lotto of course) and my plan has always been to buy a brand new car as a retirement gift . Beginning to wonder now if that might not be a Ford product unless the Stang is still around then . Last edited by roddy1960; 08-01-2022 at 09:21 AM. |
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08-01-2022, 11:17 AM | #30 | |||
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The new gen will have hybrids available though as an option. |
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