Officially recieved the canary. Course of action?

[malta123]

i bought dba slotted rotors and they were painted from factory gray and it only took some prep wash to take it off iv told about ten mechanics what happened all of them responded in laughter shows how much of a joke it is i know you cant chrome suspention and brake components as it weakens them but paint is just dumb sounds like he needs a girlfriend

[Jason[98.EL]]

Originally Posted by efgiar

under the section Inspection details
- Part needed for attention___________Attention Required
- Brake rotors______________________To be unpainted
- Brake calipers ____________________To be unpainted

- Ground Clearance _________________To be more then 100mm
- (muffler)

so by that all i have to do is get the muffler raised at or more then 100mm off the ground regarless of what else is hanging lower :P

ok this is from my old man he has just left here so he has seen the above post from efgiar

#1 brake rotors are not to be painted as the paint can hold heat in (subject to looking into it a bit further )

#2 brake calipers are not under any rules except for chrome plating chrome is a no no

#3 min ground clearance is to be no less than 100mm at time of printing (this was from a book 12 weeks old )

he also mentioned that there are new laws coming through about the lowering of vehicles

hope this helps josh

jason

[CaRtZ]

sorry to highjack but wot is the law reguarding calliper covers? a mate got a set of Brembo covers off ebay and got pinned, was just a matter of unscrewin em then screwin em back on but yeah.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/BREMBO-High-P...QQcmdZViewItem

[Professor Farnsworth]

Originally Posted by heljas

...he also mentioned that there are new laws coming through about the lowering of vehicles

i've been wondering how long it would be before this crap starts.. i'm guessing it'll be conjunction with the whole 'equal height' thing. As in, the lowering of the front structural members of 4x4's and lifting those of passenger sedans, so in head-on crashes, the impact is absorbed as equally as possible, so neither car gets an advantage over the other. Thus why the front of the VE is so high.. and Orion will most likely be similar. This is going to be a joke for lowered cars!

[EDXR6T]

It's a minor isint it josh.??

I dont think VIC road's will even look at it.

When i got my Major I got it re RWC'd took it to vic road's and they didnt even look at the car. I asked if they were going to look at it and they said na we dont have to:P

So if your's is a minor I would imagine they wont bother looking at it. Am I right.??

[efgiar]

well i dont know, i will take it down and see what they say i spose. but i wont unpaint them, i will just go for a big brake upgrade and take the car off the road.

[LTDHO]

Josh getting Stat-dec's signs will do less than nothing. Massive waste of time.

Police do not have to base a defect on actual defective items. This is fact. They are within their right to defect a car as it is driven out of a dealer. It is then up to the driver to prove otherwise and lift the defect notice.

Hence why I hate to take the LTD out. No matter how roadworthy your car is, it can still get defected.

And yes, disc rotors come standard painted!

[arm79]

Originally Posted by heljas

ok this is from my old man he has just left here so he has seen the above post from efgiar

#3 min ground clearance is to be no less than 100mm at time of printing (this was from a book 12 weeks old )

Vicroads VSI's actually contradict this.

Some places under the car must be 100mm minimum, but others can be as low as 93mm.

Yes I know its only 7mm, but:

a) That 7mm may be a pass or fail for some cars

b) Obviously the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing when it comes to these laws.

[brenx]

It's a bit weird the height rule. My Hyundai S-Coupe was 100% factory in every way apart from wheels, CD player and sunroof. Yet I can guarantee it didn't sit 100mm off the ground. I always struggled to get a normal hyd jack under it. I used to have to start with the factory jack for a bit then swap to the big jack. Best bit was the chassis was so rigid you only needed to jack one spot for both wheels on that side to be off the ground. I may have come under the 93mm rule?

[FordGirl]

Originally Posted by efgiar

well i dont know, i will take it down and see what they say i spose. but i wont unpaint them, i will just go for a big brake upgrade and take the car off the road.

Any news? Were you going to take it down today or what? I'm keen to hear the result of this one

[LTDHO]

Originally Posted by arm79

Vicroads VSI's actually contradict this.

Some places under the car must be 100mm minimum, but others can be as low as 93mm.

Yes I know its only 7mm, but:

a) That 7mm may be a pass or fail for some cars

b) Obviously the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing when it comes to these laws.

Where does it say 93mm?
Can ya post up link or something?

cheers.

[arm79]

Originally Posted by LTDHO

Where does it say 93mm?
Can ya post up link or something?

cheers.

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonlyres/CC48FC10-4D57-4F04-82E1-3BD72EF88340/0/VSI8.pdf

Page 3, point 4 gives you the ground clearance calculation.

93mm is for a SWB. Your LTD and wagons will be 97mm.

And before you start flaming me, remember I said some places. ;)

[4.9 EF Futura]

I think the default 100mm must override this?? Lol, who knows.

I also see you guys have the "no more than 30%" lowering rule, which is what i was done for - measured by the eyebrow height....

[LTDHO]

Originally Posted by arm79

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonlyres/CC48FC10-4D57-4F04-82E1-3BD72EF88340/0/VSI8.pdf

Page 3, point 4 gives you the ground clearance calculation.

93mm is for a SWB. Your LTD and wagons will be 97mm.

And before you start flaming me, remember I said some places. ;)

Na mate no flaming from me.


I still think that a cop will get ya if ya less than 100mm!

Thanks for the link ARM!

[arm79]

Originally Posted by LTDHO

Na mate no flaming from me.


I still think that a cop will get ya if ya less than 100mm!

Thanks for the link ARM!

If he does try to ping you for something you know is legal - I think we know alot of cops don't know the actual laws - flashing papers like this in front of their face might scare them off. Shows you are know what you are talking about and there is nothing they can say to screw you over.

Even then, the VSI pages can be a bit funny. Read the one on roadworthiness and it doesn't even mention anything about having a functioning handbrake. used:

[blownba]

I have been a RWC tester for many years and believe me that aint a RW item. And the worst thing is that it aint the worst thing I've seen coppers pick on. What ya have to do know is to contact a vic roads inspector and then the superior of the officer involved and then they will more than likely be forced to sit the RWC course. I had 2 coppers in my class when I did it all those years ago. They got in trouble for picking up incorrect defect items on too many occasions.
Its a shit situation but its also a matter of educating these police men to have half an idea of what the regs are.

[efgiar]

well i got the canary removed, but i ended up stipping the paint off the brakes because the mechanic didnt get back to me and i had run out of time. and by the sounds of things they go by exactly whats on the sheet, eg they only checked my muffler for clearance, not any other part of the car. funny thing was i walked up to the counter and go "hey i need to get this defect cleared" and the lady behind the counter says "what a cal-i-pers and ro-tors?" LOL i laughed and just said they are your brakes

[ED turbo (mickmalta)]

I think most of you are looking over the fact that in most circumstances, people get defected for either: driving stupidly, attracting attention, and in some cases, pure bad luck.

I'd assume the Officer knew that painted brakes aren't illegal, but he had to make the defect notice 'look' substancial...... clearly there was something he didnt like!!

[FRDXR6]

I still wouldnt have bothered to strip the paint of the calipers espicially if you liked the look of it, but at least defects cleared now i guess

[micksta]

yeah i found getting my defect taken off was quicker then sorting any other matter out.

with my minor they just checked the crap on the sheet. nothin else.

good thing u got it cleared.

its the major defects you have to worry about, requiring a full road worthy.

[Christiaan]

The paint stripper you used on the rotor probably damaged the disc more than leaving the paint on ..

[efgiar]

Originally Posted by ED turbo (mickmalta)

I think most of you are looking over the fact that in most circumstances, people get defected for either: driving stupidly, attracting attention, and in some cases, pure bad luck.

I'd assume the Officer knew that painted brakes aren't illegal, but he had to make the defect notice 'look' substancial...... clearly there was something he didnt like!!

in this circumstance the cop pulled me over because he could see my exhaust was too low. i think he just liked handing out yellow stickers because he ran out and couldnt give me one! he didnt like the exhaust that low, i think if it wasnt that low he wouldnt have cared.


Yagz, i used a wire brush on an air drill.

[joolz]

Whats next "brake dust on calipers and rotors = Unroadworthy"!!!

[Dezza]

Originally Posted by efgiar

well i got the canary removed, but i ended up stipping the paint off the brakes because the mechanic didnt get back to me and i had run out of time. and by the sounds of things they go by exactly whats on the sheet, eg they only checked my muffler for clearance, not any other part of the car. funny thing was i walked up to the counter and go "hey i need to get this defect cleared" and the lady behind the counter says "what a cal-i-pers and ro-tors?" LOL i laughed and just said they are your brakes

At least it's sorted now, but I still fail to see how painted calipers are worthy of a defect.

[Allen]

Are you going to take the risk and paint them up again?

I did my old ED's grey, and if you looked at them, they just look really clean, not painted...

Not the best pic, but you get the idea...

[efgiar]

yeah ill probly leave them and when i put new discs on ill get them polished and clear coated

[GREERZ_04_BA]

damm cops.
the new hooning laws go strate to there heads.
but the painted calipers and discs, wtf?
why did he ping u for them.???

[efgiar]

i dont kno, had a quick walk around my car and went, oh hello, im gonna be a tight *** and prang you for that aswell :P