HSV power advantage!

[SVTVNM]

I know this has been long the topic of conversation, but I was just reading on carpoint that the next lot of HSV cars could have over 320kw out of a 6.2lt. I know FPV says they do not want to get into a power war with HSV but are the diehard Ford fans like us, not all of who can afford FPV's enough of a customer base to support FPV if the cars are underpowered compared to HSV's in the future. Not everyone is going to spent money modding their FPV to outpower a HSV. The average joe who just want to have a performance car is going to go with HSV.

[fpr_esp]

i for one would stick with a ford if i were to buy a new one id go a phoon or g6 or whatever name they have replaced em with.

[Windsor220]

New FPV Boss is rumoured to be around 320kw so it wont be far off. Typhoon should be able to take care of anything HSV comes up with in regards to performance.

[SpoolMan]

Originally Posted by SVTVNM

I know this has been long the topic of conversation, but I was just reading on carpoint that the next lot of HSV cars could have over 320kw out of a 6.2lt. I know FPV says they do not want to get into a power war with HSV but are the diehard Ford fans like us, not all of who can afford FPV's enough of a customer base to support FPV if the cars are underpowered compared to HSV's in the future. Not everyone is going to spent money modding their FPV to outpower a HSV. The average joe who just want to have a performance car is going to go with HSV.

These Chev engines are very good for making big power for the guy's who love to tweak.
On the LS1 Forum I read where Fonzie from GM Motorsport got manual VE SS sedan put a TK cam in it 350rwkw.
The car was taken to Calder run 10.8 in full race trim, this car is cam and bolt-ons only...
The TK cam is his cam grind and it stands for Turbo Killer...and it's a very angry cam not would you would want for the street...
The devolpment the Hemi and Chev guy's get from the States means they get new stuff every few months this makes them a very good tweakers car.
Excellent effort 10.8 even in Race trim..

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by Torxteer

New FPV Boss is rumoured to be around 320kw so it wont be far off. Typhoon should be able to take care of anything HSV comes up with in regards to performance.

If you're stipulating aftermarket...........agreed. It's easy to get more from the I6T..........

From factory as standard, I doubt it................

[SVTVNM]

I am talking about factory power, there a plenty of "suits' out there with lots of money to spend on cars but if they want an aussie performance car they will go for HSV if it has more factory power, these people will more than likely not modify their cars like we would.

[dishpig]

The thing that get's me though is usally HSV are usally only 5KW infront of FPV, sad thing is thats all they need to get the sales off some people. It's all about the number.

But I always like to think that we have the better 6 they have the better 8.

[Yellow_Festiva]

If only our V8 had more cubes. We are almost a litre under and are almost still matching their factory kw outputs....

[SVTVNM]

Hopefully thing will change in 2010 when the the new generation of Ford V8's make to OZ. It is just to expensive to mod a 32 valve in my opinion.

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

If only our V8 had more cubes. We are almost a litre under and are almost still matching their factory kw outputs....

That's because they're both well under what kind of figures they should be making.

Give a 5.4 litre V8 engine to a BMW or Audi engineer, they'll give you back 403kW.

Give a 6.0 litre V8 engine to a BMW or Audi engineer, you'll get 448kW in return.

Give an American engineer a 5.5-6.0L V8 and ask for 400kW+ and they'll scratch their head, wonder why the engine is so "small," and deliver a 12L V8 making 390kW.

[smoo]

Originally Posted by Steffo

Give an American engineer a 5.5-6.0L V8 and ask for 400kW+ and they'll scratch their head, wonder why the engine is so "small," and deliver a 12L V8 making 390kW.

Good thing that 12 litre V8 will deliver similar performance and will probably go for 500,000km. Good luck squeezing even half the amount of kays out of a high strung Euro.

Different strokes for different volks.

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by smoo

Good thing that 12 litre V8 will deliver similar performance and will probably go for 500,000km. Good luck squeezing even half the amount of kays out of a high strung Euro.

Different strokes for different volks.

Best re-think that if I were you. The Euro engines are designed to do what they do from the get go, they are built for it. Therefore they do last the distance. Often without the oil burning, piston slapping, valve float and other fun associated with American motors.

[nugget378]

Originally Posted by Steffo

That's because they're both well under what kind of figures they should be making.

Give a 5.4 litre V8 engine to a BMW or Audi engineer, they'll give you back 403kW.

Give a 6.0 litre V8 engine to a BMW or Audi engineer, you'll get 448kW in return.

Give an American engineer a 5.5-6.0L V8 and ask for 400kW+ and they'll scratch their head, wonder why the engine is so "small," and deliver a 12L V8 making 390kW.

Why dont you go over and set them on the right track steffo,im sure they couldnt knock back someone with your obvious talent.
Your assuming they even want to make a 450kw street car engine,even what they have now is too much for 99.9% of the people that but them to ever use.
We dont have unlimited speed roads nor do they in the US..

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by nugget378

Why dont you go over and set them on the right track steffo,im sure they couldnt knock back someone with your obvious talent.
Your assuming they even want to make a 450kw street car engine,even what they have now is too much for 99.9% of the people that but them to ever use.
We dont have unlimited speed roads..

Its obvious what they do when they want 450kW. They make their super huge engine even bigger and throw a positive displacement blower on it. As if today were 1968, not 2008.

I'm basically saying that one of the weaker links in our cars, the Falcon especially, which are on a whole very good cars, is the foreign sourced engines.

Has this not been proven in practise by the Turbo Six's total destruction of the American-engined V8 Falcons in the last 6 years?

[nugget378]

Originally Posted by Steffo

Its obvious what they do when they want 450kW. They make their super huge engine even bigger and throw a positive displacement blower on it. As if today were 1968, not 2008.

Bullsheet steffo..
So your saying that if the engineers at GM/Ford or Chrysler put there minds to it and had the backing of the companies involved they couldnt get another 150kw out of them at the same capacity?
Geez seems they waste there money on qualified engineers doesnt it,maybe they should save there wages bill and hire a couple of google experts?

Keep in mind these same designers are designing parts that make 850hp at 358ci,remember that just because it is not done that doesnt mean it cant be,there has to not only be a percieved need for doing something,but also the will to do it..

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by nugget378

Bullsheet steffo..
So your saying that if the engineers at GM/Ford or Chrysler put there minds to it and had the backing of the companies involved they couldnt get another 150kw out of them at the same capacity?
Geez seems they waste there money on qualified engineers doesnt it,maybe they should save there wages bill and hire a couple of google experts?

Keep in mind these same designers are designing parts that make 850hp at 358ci,remember that just because it is not done that doesnt mean it cant be,there has to not only be a percieved need for doing something,but also the will to do it..

I'm sure they could squeeze the power out. That doesn't change the fact that they don't. Chrysler are the worst in that regard, with the super huge, not very powerful for its massive size, Viper, that's now going out of production.

Are you going to try to deny that the 5.4 Boss hasn't gotten completley spanked by the 4.0T Six?

At least the massive inefficient GM motors are small and light... us Ford fans have no claim to that.

[mik]

yeah but the performance car from us and europe are in different price range or in oz the equivelent beema to an xr6t is 1.6i in price comparison

[mik]

theres a better comparison kw`s and torque per dollar see who wins.

[nugget378]

Originally Posted by Steffo

Are you going to try to deny that the 5.4 Boss hasn't gotten completley spanked by the 4.0T Six?

I have no issue with that,if I was to buy a new Ford it would be one of these,but thats not the point.
You say this in an earlier post..

Originally Posted by Steffo

That's because they're both well under what kind of figures they should be making.

Give a 5.4 litre V8 engine to a BMW or Audi engineer, they'll give you back 403kW.

Give a 6.0 litre V8 engine to a BMW or Audi engineer, you'll get 448kW in return.

Give an American engineer a 5.5-6.0L V8 and ask for 400kW+ and they'll scratch their head, wonder why the engine is so "small," and deliver a 12L V8 making 390kW.

The issue for me is you make out that audi or BMW have the holy grail of engineering in there hands,when possibly the only difference is the attitude in the boardroom..

This may come as a shock to you steffo,but the kw those engines "should" be making is best left to those that designed them,and those that paid to design and produce them,not to any of us internet experts..

The power output of the 2 engines in question looks fine from where Im standing,how much power do you need to average 40-80km/hr..

[plext]

Top work Steffo.

You've taken a near worthless, completely speculative genitalia size thread and turned it into a completely worthless, off topic genitalia size thread.

Back through the wardrobe Mr. Tumnus.