Hsv Ls3 317kw

[burnz]

according to wheel's mag hsv is to get the vett donk for the r8,
for a second lineup for the w427 gts.
unlike the w427 two hundred a year jobbie this is destend as standard equipment.

your thuoght's???

[philstoj]

Fantastic, plenty to choose from if your in the market for a very nice high performance aussie car.

[boss-290]

Originally Posted by burnz

according to wheel's mag hsv is to get the vett donk for the r8,
for a second lineup for the w427 gts.
unlike the w427 two hundred a year jobbie this is destend as standard equipment.

your thuoght's???

You what?

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by burnz

according to wheel's mag hsv is to get the vett donk for the r8,
for a second lineup for the w427 gts.
unlike the w427 two hundred a year jobbie this is destend as standard equipment.

your thuoght's???

You need a spell checker.

Other than that, having a rough time deciphering what you're actually trying to say.

I've tried to work it out, R8 is getting the Vette engine for a second attempt to release a 427 GTS? But the LS1 is a Vette engine.

Now the second bit I'm not quite sure about. Destend, destined? The R8 is going to cost $200k or the old 427 was going to cost $200k a year? What's going to be standard equipment? I'd assume an engine is standard equipment in most cars.

Skip.. here Skip.. where's Sonny...?

[burnz]

the r8 will be priced as per usual, ls3 is standard equipment on all hsv.

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by burnz

the r8 will be priced as per usual, ls3 is standard equipment on all hsv.

Ok, we're getting there.

LS3 standard on all HSV's but you seemed to indicate that only the R8 got the LS3 in your first post?

So does this mean they're dropping the standard Clubby?

[Ives]

I believe the LS3 will replace the LS2 V8s in the Clubsport, Clubsport R8, GTS, Senator, Grange etc.

[XR8 Uterous]

Originally Posted by Rodp

Ok, we're getting there.

LS3 standard on all HSV's but you seemed to indicate that only the R8 got the LS3 in your first post?

So does this mean they're dropping the standard Clubby?

As far as i know there is no standard clubby in the VE line up.

EDIT: Or i could be completely wrong...

[FordFella]

Phew - was afraid the FPV GT would be looking at going up against a 327kw HSV. Its apparently kept at 317 because they didn't want to have to rework the diff and driveline completely (according to wheels).

[Need_a_V8]

Originally Posted by Rodp

Ok, we're getting there.

LS3 standard on all HSV's but you seemed to indicate that only the R8 got the LS3 in your first post?

So does this mean they're dropping the standard Clubby?

There is no standard Clubsport as said.

The following from mid April will be on sale with the 317kw LS3 6.2L V8:
Clubsport R8
Maloo R8
Grange
Senator
GTS

Then at around $125k powered by the LS7 7L V8:
W427

As said the current E series has been capped at 317kw due to driveline constraints and torque remains the same, although the torque curve is even better than on the current LS2. Expect 327-330kw with the VF update when they are able to wind the engine up.

Expect the LS3 to hang around until the next all new Commodore as it is the last of the Gen IV (along with the LS9) range of engines. Like the LS1, it has plenty of room for improvement (LS1 started at 220kw, ended at 260kw).

[ED Classic]

FG F6 should be capable to take it on...hopefully

[Steffo]

If MOTOR's claims of 315kW for the new FPV GT are true then... its about there.

[ea90gl]

Originally Posted by Need_a_V8

There is no standard Clubsport as said.

The following from mid April will be on sale with the 317kw LS3 6.2L V8:Clubsport R8
Maloo R8
Grange
Senator
GTS

Then at around $125k powered by the LS7 7L V8:
W427

As said the current E series has been capped at 317kw due to driveline constraints and torque remains the same, although the torque curve is even better than on the current LS2. Expect 327-330kw with the VF update when they are able to wind the engine up.

Expect the LS3 to hang around until the next all new Commodore as it is the last of the Gen IV (along with the LS9) range of engines. Like the LS1, it has plenty of room for improvement (LS1 started at 220kw, ended at 260kw).

is this rock solid or a magazine rumour? if so its not what I expected apparently they would be pumping out 325ish Kw. Also if its true then the 315KW GT's shouldnt have anything to worry about in regards to getting tramped on. Funny thing is the 5.4 will create 2 KW less than the 6.2, yes I know there is more potential in it but its a bit sad for factory released cars

[Kryton]

Originally Posted by Need_a_V8

The following from mid April will be on sale with the 317kw LS3 6.2L V8:
Clubsport R8
Maloo R8
Grange
Senator
GTS

so the Clubsport R8 will have the same Power as the GTS?
does this also mean the base model V8 is going to get an upgrade? (Omega -> SSV)

[SpoolMan]

Originally Posted by FordFella

Phew - was afraid the FPV GT would be looking at going up against a 327kw HSV. Its apparently kept at 317 because they didn't want to have to rework the diff and driveline completely (according to wheels).

That's in there standard de-tuned factory set-up, they have huge amount of scope with just a tune and zorst.

[FalconXV]

Is everyone certain the GT will have 315? I hope FPV at least quotes 320 .

[XR Martin]

The LS2 in the Corvette had 300kw and the LS2 in the HSVs had 307kw.
The LS3 in the 08 Corvette has 325kw and in the HSVs will only have 317kw? Doesnt sound right to me.

[Airmon]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

The LS2 in the Corvette had 300kw and the LS2 in the HSVs had 307kw.
The LS3 in the 08 Corvette has 325kw and in the HSVs will only have 317kw? Doesnt sound right to me.

As said the current E series has been capped at 317kw due to driveline constraints

What exactly these contrains are in the commo I would find interesting. The Gearbox is already all new, can we expect the 6 speed to go? Or are they referring to other aspects of the driveline?
It may also have something to do with marketing, It gives them a massive change to add in for the next series.

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

The LS2 in the Corvette had 300kw and the LS2 in the HSVs had 307kw.
The LS3 in the 08 Corvette has 325kw and in the HSVs will only have 317kw? Doesnt sound right to me.

299kW 542Nm in the C6 Corvette.
297kW 530Nm in the VZ HSV's.
307kW 550Nm in the VE HSV's.

The difference? Exhaust systems for each vehicle, intake setup in each vehicle. The power won't be 100% the same between three totally different vehicles. Pretty easy to figure out.

324kW 575Nm for the LS3 Corvette, by the way.

[Rodp]

I wasn't aware they dropped the standard Clubby, seems like a huge mistake to me, but oh well.

There are plenty of modded LS1's running the standard driveline and pumping out bigger numbers without fault (even though I did have a tailshaft issue that eventually killed my diff but allowed me to install 3.91's guilt free...) so is it a case of playing it ultrasafe or is that just rumor as the reason?

[T3ts50]

Originally Posted by Steffo

299kW 542Nm in the C6 Corvette.
297kW 530Nm in the VZ HSV's.
307kW 550Nm in the VE HSV's.

The difference? Exhaust systems for each vehicle, intake setup in each vehicle. The power won't be 100% the same between three totally different vehicles. Pretty easy to figure out.

324kW 575Nm for the LS3 Corvette, by the way.

297kw was measured in ECE, while 307 was measured in DIN. HSV claimed the 297 ECE was 305 DIN.

[EXECJIM]

Originally Posted by T3ts50

297kw was measured in ECE, while 307 was measured in DIN. HSV claimed the 297 ECE was 305 DIN.

I dont know of 1 LSX/Commodore owner having that sort of power

Jim

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Rodp

I wasn't aware they dropped the standard Clubby, seems like a huge mistake to me, but oh well.

There are plenty of modded LS1's running the standard driveline and pumping out bigger numbers without fault (even though I did have a tailshaft issue that eventually killed my diff but allowed me to install 3.91's guilt free...) so is it a case of playing it ultrasafe or is that just rumor as the reason?

They really didn't drop the Clubsport, all they did was change the badge to Clubsport R8, even though its really the same thing with cloth seats etc. The VZ Clubsport R8 had leather and other extras the base Clubsport didn't have. Its just like Holden changing the name of the SV8 to SS, same thing different badge.


The April release of the LS3 sounds like a load of crap to me, because thats only a week away and yet HSV have said nothing? If they were releasing it they will spend millions to tell the world in typical Holden fashion. Why would they wait so late, when they already have a waiting list, as its not like they have to sell all the old stocks of LS2, cause there really shouldn't be many. If you ordered one right now by the time you got it, it would a few months till you get it. Surely they will wait until the series II is out in October?

[hypnodoc]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

They really didn't drop the Clubsport, all they did was change the badge to Clubsport R8, even though its really the same thing with cloth seats etc. The VZ Clubsport R8 had leather and other extras the base Clubsport didn't have. Its just like Holden changing the name of the SV8 to SS, same thing different badge.


The April release of the LS3 sounds like a load of crap to me, because thats only a week away and yet HSV have said nothing? If they were releasing it they will spend millions to tell the world in typical Holden fashion. Why would they wait so late, when they already have a waiting list, as its not like they have to sell all the old stocks of LS2, cause there really shouldn't be many. If you ordered one right now by the time you got it, it would a few months till you get it. Surely they will wait until the series II is out in October?

It's still going to be a Chev powered sh!tbox, and there are plenty of worked and tuned xr6s and F6s out there that will slap it into place

[Clint Eastwood]

Originally Posted by hypnodoc

It's still going to be a Chev powered sh!tbox, and there are plenty of worked and tuned xr6s and F6s out there that will slap it into place

Thats exactly right mate,if ya dont like it mod mod mod.

A tuned f6 or blown boss will make mince meat of any factory hsv.

[Need_a_V8]

Originally Posted by ea90gl

is this rock solid or a magazine rumour? if so its not what I expected apparently they would be pumping out 325ish Kw. Also if its true then the 315KW GT's shouldnt have anything to worry about in regards to getting tramped on. Funny thing is the 5.4 will create 2 KW less than the 6.2, yes I know there is more potential in it but its a bit sad for factory released cars

It is definite. As I said, you should see 330kw for the VF update. No need for HSV to show all their cards at once, the LS3 has a few years to last yet.

[Need_a_V8]

Originally Posted by davway

so the Clubsport R8 will have the same Power as the GTS?
does this also mean the base model V8 is going to get an upgrade? (Omega -> SSV)

GTS will have the same power output. Rumours are that the GTS will get a slight increase with the VF series in the form of a dual mode exhaust (expect only ~5kw difference though) as seen in the W427.

AFAIK there are no plans for a Holden based power upgrade until the VF. They'll just have to cop the power deficit to Fords XR8 on the chin until then.

[Need_a_V8]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

They really didn't drop the Clubsport, all they did was change the badge to Clubsport R8, even though its really the same thing with cloth seats etc. The VZ Clubsport R8 had leather and other extras the base Clubsport didn't have. Its just like Holden changing the name of the SV8 to SS, same thing different badge.


The April release of the LS3 sounds like a load of crap to me, because thats only a week away and yet HSV have said nothing? If they were releasing it they will spend millions to tell the world in typical Holden fashion. Why would they wait so late, when they already have a waiting list, as its not like they have to sell all the old stocks of LS2, cause there really shouldn't be many. If you ordered one right now by the time you got it, it would a few months till you get it. Surely they will wait until the series II is out in October?

They don't have the stock to last until October. I have no doubts they were meant to, but record sales month after month for HSV have left them with nothing. The LS2 stopped production almost a year ago now.

This is counted as a running change, not series change.

[Falc'man]

Originally Posted by edda bah

Thats exactly right mate,if ya dont like it mod mod mod.

A tuned f6 or blown boss will make mince meat of any factory hsv.

We could go on forever. What can blown LS do to a factory F6 or GT do? Same thing. Apples for apples. I like yourself am a Ford nut, and the reality is, having good competition from HSV is good for Ford too. Otherwise Ford would still be stuck without any performance vehicles. In other words what I'm saying is, I welcome HSV's attitude as it pushes FPV to follow suit, and vice versa. We (the fanatics and buyers) are the winners. Eg, When BA XR8 was released four years ago, it had 260kW, and with FG it will probably be the same price but with 290kW. Cheers.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by hypnodoc

It's still going to be a Chev powered sh!tbox, and there are plenty of worked and tuned xr6s and F6s out there that will slap it into place

That I can agree with.