A few moon pictures.

XR6-VCT-2000 · 11-12-2008, 12:12 AM

I was just looking at the moon tonight through the telescope (nice clear night and large moon here in Melbourne). I noticed what looks like a south pole on the crater of the moon ????. There is like a crater clearly visible on the south side of the moon , no other craters are near it and there is like pole lines protruding from it towards the equator of the moon, interesting ( to me anyway ). Here's the pics I shot with my digital camera holding it up against the lense of the telescope.

cheers , enjoy.

XR6_661 · 11-12-2008, 12:29 AM

That is quite interesting.

Space really fascinates me. My theory is each solar system is a basic atomic structure. And we are part of something so big we can't even imagine. So for all we know, we could be one tiny atom that helps make up something dead simple like a grain of sand.

I could go on for hours.

xy500 · 11-12-2008, 12:45 AM

looks like something big smacked into it, left a crater and some debris lines

XR6-VCT-2000 · 11-12-2008, 02:11 AM

XR6 661... I totaly agree, even to think that a good majority of stars (suns) out probably have solar systems revolving around them like ours, and possibly other forms of life on planets like ours or totaly different ? ..lol , I could go on for hours too , it fascinates me , it always has !.

xy500... Yeah it sure does !. I've been looking at the moon for a few years now but never noticed this before , maybe this is a recent event ? , or maybe just an angle of the moon i haven't been able to capture yet.

Anyway, truelly fascinating looking through the lenses of telescopes at the stars and moon etc etc, some realy once in a life time stuff to be seen !!!!!!!!!!!!

XR6-VCT-2000 · 11-12-2008, 04:44 AM

Also on those pics , about 10 o'clock (top left) you can see a white dot !. This dot was actually brighter than the brightest part of the moon ( hard to see in these pics , but / it's nearly on the dark side of the moon ). Even my wife said it was extremly bright, and makes me wonder what would reflect the sun so much on such a dark part of the moon ? . hmmmm

Rodp · 11-12-2008, 06:24 AM

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xy500... Yeah it sure does !. I've been looking at the moon for a few years now but never noticed this before , maybe this is a recent event ? , or maybe just an angle of the moon i haven't been able to capture yet.

It seems like you're talking about Clavius which is an impact crater ~225km's wide.

Surprised you haven't noticed it. It's visible to the naked eye and has been there for ~4 billion years.

**Burnout** · 11-12-2008, 07:34 AM

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It seems like you're talking about Clavius which is an impact crater ~225km's wide.

Surprised you haven't noticed it. It's visible to the naked eye and has been there for ~4 billion years.

Rubbish! Everyone knows its a Turkeys Nest Dam and the lines radiating from it are cattle pads.

troppo · 11-12-2008, 09:09 AM

The bright spot on the top left mentioned is Aristarchus crater and it's brightness has been a source of contention among scientists for years due to it's aparent changes in brightness.

Some conspiracy theorists claim it is the site of a secret moon base and houses a nuclear fusion reactor similar to the Z-machine developed by Sandia laboratories and uses helium 3 isotope for fuel. Helium 3 is extremely rare on earth but the moon is covered with it. Take that as you will...

dandandandan · 11-12-2008, 09:28 AM

Great pics!
Was expecting to see some butt cheeks haha.

Also on the note of space and interests on astronomy, I studied physics and quantum mechanics and the like just purely for my fascination with space.

Hoping to get one of those big celestar telescopes with the databases of celestial objects this christmas.

Sorry to get off topic sorta.

XR6-VCT-2000 · 11-12-2008, 10:46 AM

Rodp......Hmmmm, ok, but I'm with 'Burnedout' on this one , I recon it's a huge turkeys nest too

) lol. I guess I've been blind all my life and now I can see ....hehehehehe.

I've heard stuff in the past that troppo mentioned about that helium powered reactor on the moon, I didn't know it was supposably that spot though, thats if it's real ? .

I hope you get your christmas wish dandandandan ! .

Cheers.

jonk · 11-12-2008, 10:50 AM

Gridkeeper on YouTube does some really close filming of the moon.

Biggav · 11-12-2008, 12:03 PM

thats not the moon its the death star

troppo · 11-12-2008, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6-VCT-2000

I've heard stuff in the past that troppo mentioned about that helium powered reactor on the moon, I didn't know it was supposably that spot though, thats if it's real ?

I've always been interested in the unexplained/mysterious especially space stuff because it can't easily be confirmed or denied by a simple visit to the site. That particular crater has been known as an oddity for some time for it's documented changes in brightness and colour (it sometimes appears blue). Even Armstrong and Aldrin made comments that it seemed significantly brighter than the rest of the moon's surface during their visit.

Officially, the explanation for the brightness is that crater contains material that is more reflective than the rest of the moon's surface and the variations is brightness are due to changing angles of incidence and refelection of sunshine, keeping in mind that relative to the sun, there is no dark side. Here on earth, we only ever see one side of the moon but if it were possible to be on the sun, you would get to see all of it. This does not explain the changes in colour, however. Also, officially, a nuclear fusion reactor does not exist, all existing reactors are fission.

Unofficially, the Z-machine is supposed to be a fusion reactor fuelled by Helium 3 and Sandia is supposedly associated with a number of top-secret projects on behalf of the US Government. I've posted a link to it here before and the electrical arcing during operation gives it a blueish glow.

Anyone wanting to look into it more, try this link:Blue glow from aristarchus crater and pic of Z machine

Rodp · 11-12-2008, 12:38 PM

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Anyone wanting to look into it more, try this link:Blue glow from aristarchus crater and pic of Z machine

Thanks for the link. This is all news to me, hadn't heard any of these conspiracy theories.

Obviously these crackpots are in the 'we did land on the moon' camp. :P

troppo · 11-12-2008, 12:42 PM

Yep, not only did we land on the moon, we apparently did it in the 50's or early 60's.
Not sure if John Lear (son of the man who invented the Lear jet) has his own website these days, but for a man who still holds aviation records himself and appears sane, he sure has got some 'out there' ideas.

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Oh and I should correct my earlier mistake: the Z-machine uses heavy hydrogen (H3 or dueterium) for fuel, helium 3 is the waste product.

**Peuty** · 11-12-2008, 01:05 PM

Now, I'm no scientist, but why put one of these things on the moon? If no-one is up there to check on it and stuff, what's the benefit?

troppo · 11-12-2008, 01:35 PM

Naturally occuring deuterium is non-existant here on earth, so making the fuel to run a z-machine would require huge amounts of energy before you start, defeating the purpose somewhat. the moon however is literally covered with naturally occuring deuterium, so all you'd really need would be a mining/harvesting operation to run one up there.

So if you had some secret projects on the go that required shedloads of energy to complete and a few hundred trillion dollars for your expense account, it would be more feasible to move your operation close to the fuel than to bring the fuel to the operation...and the fuel itself is free.

And the security of being well away from prying eyes and the fact that it's extremely unlikely that any do-gooders could sneak in unnoticed is a bonus! :dr_Evil:

XR6_661 · 11-12-2008, 03:02 PM

Wow. Consipracy theories and the moon! Awesome.

Love this kinda stuff!

Rodp · 11-12-2008, 05:55 PM

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Naturally occuring deuterium is non-existant here on earth, so making the fuel to run a z-machine would require huge amounts of energy before you start, defeating the purpose somewhat. the moon however is literally covered with naturally occuring deuterium, so all you'd really need would be a mining/harvesting operation to run one up there.

So if you had some secret projects on the go that required shedloads of energy to complete and a few hundred trillion dollars for your expense account, it would be more feasible to move your operation close to the fuel than to bring the fuel to the operation...and the fuel itself is free.

And the security of being well away from prying eyes and the fact that it's extremely unlikely that any do-gooders could sneak in unnoticed is a bonus! :dr_Evil:

Well, that's the thing.

Build a reactor on the moon to... err, power the reactor on the moon.

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Though, I did watch a doco not long ago where they were testing the feasability of putting solar panels in orbit, using a concentrator on the panels and beaming the storged energy down to Earth via microwave. They were getting magnitudes more stored energy than Earth bound solar panels and the beaming of that energy via microwave was proven feasable with more study. So it actually looks like a viable alternative energy source... for 2040.

Windsor220 · 11-12-2008, 06:55 PM

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My theory is each solar system is a basic atomic structure.

Yeah I've had that theory before. The size of the object we are of would be unfathomable.

troppo · 11-12-2008, 08:25 PM

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Build a reactor on the moon to... err, power the reactor on the moon.

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Lol, nope you missed the point. You build a reactor on the moon so you can build and power your Death Star without anyone knowing, hence the :dr_Evil:

Seriously though, that doco sounds interesting, I wish I'd caught that one. Solar panels in orbit makes a lot of sense as the atmosphere does a great job of filtering radiation, aka energy. The biggest hurdle there would be, as you say, transporting the energy back to the surface, as well as the atmosphere filtering the microwaves to a degree. Transportability of energy is the single biggest reason why we are so reliant on oil as an energy source.

Thornie · 11-12-2008, 11:23 PM

hrm if it were turned up the other way, it would most certainly resemble the death star.

DoreSlamR · 11-12-2008, 11:43 PM

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hrm if it were turned up the other way, it would most certainly resemble the death star.

Deathstar?

Like this one?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimas_(moon)

Spooky!

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Rodp · 12-12-2008, 07:34 PM

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Lol, nope you missed the point. You build a reactor on the moon so you can build and power your Death Star without anyone knowing, hence the :dr_Evil:

Seriously though, that doco sounds interesting, I wish I'd caught that one. Solar panels in orbit makes a lot of sense as the atmosphere does a great job of filtering radiation, aka energy. The biggest hurdle there would be, as you say, transporting the energy back to the surface, as well as the atmosphere filtering the microwaves to a degree. Transportability of energy is the single biggest reason why we are so reliant on oil as an energy source.

Ah, only skimmed the crackpot website, didn't realise that the reactor was powering a deathstar.

It was a torrent I downloaded in the last month or two. It was fascinating and I just tried to find it on mininova but I can't be sure which one it was. I'm sure it was a Discovery show doco and it was essentially the viability of solar panels above our atmosphere, a lens that was developed to concentrate the suns beam on the solar panel and the ability to beam the resultant energy via microwave to a station on Earth.

The original link was from EZTV but I'm not sure how far their archives go back on shows that are 1 off docos.

XR6-VCT-2000 · 13-12-2008, 06:01 AM

OH MY GOD ! , latest update pics of the moon !. Looks like it is the DeathStar, Photo of a Intergalatic war around the moon (Deathstar) ..lol

bob^ · 13-12-2008, 07:55 AM

How does the universe go on for ever? If it stops somewhere, what's on the other side of the "wall"?
Let that do your head in for a while

XR6_661 · 13-12-2008, 08:47 AM

That does my head in on a regular basis! And the thing is, there is thousands, possibly millions of other planets out there, it is 100% certain if you ask me, that there is a number of planets out there with life such as ours on it.

Wonder if they have Fords =P

Rodp · 13-12-2008, 04:33 PM

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How does the universe go on for ever? If it stops somewhere, what's on the other side of the "wall"?
Let that do your head in for a while

You want your head done in?

Uni implies singular. Those at the tip of the arrow when it comes to astrophysics are now pushing the name Multiverse, implying many universes (or is that universi)

Or just look at the numbers in our universe.

~150 billion galaxies, each galaxy contains ~400 billion stars. I believe it equates to more stars in the universe than grains of sand on Earth.

Our solar system contains 87 objects that are larger than 400km in diameter... so to those that suggest we're the only life in our universe obviously have a very simple view of where we live.

Rodp · 13-12-2008, 04:43 PM

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That does my head in on a regular basis! And the thing is, there is thousands, possibly millions of other planets out there, it is 100% certain if you ask me, that there is a number of planets out there with life such as ours on it.

Thousands or millions?

We'll disregard Pluto as a planet and say there's 8 planets in our solar system. If we were to make a guess and say that the average amount of planets that orbit a star is 4, you could summise that there are;

240000000000000000000000 planets in the universe.

Last time I bothered to look, we had named (most of them with BS letters and numbers) ~250 planets outside our solar system.

SM1DY · 13-12-2008, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6_661

My theory is each solar system is a basic atomic structure. And we are part of something so big we can't even imagine. So for all we know, we could be one tiny atom that helps make up something dead simple like a grain of sand.

Sort of like what happens at the end of 'MIB' (men in black).