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26-10-2009, 12:18 AM | #1 | ||
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You guys will be interested in this SIDI Sportwagon vs XR6T out on the open road rather than around Bathurst
http://globalgreenchallenge.com.au/t...-eco-challenge Note the Fiesta ran 3.19L/100 today, pretty impressive |
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26-10-2009, 05:48 AM | #2 | ||
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Falcon with the biggest improvements. The commodore is pretty damn Frugal though.
And the Fiesta, WOW. Sportswagon - 6.75, 27.4% better than ADR. XR6t - 7.31, 37.49% better than ADR. Maloo for some reason didnt record anything. It probably run out of fuel. Holden Viva was the most thirsty out of the group, lol.
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26-10-2009, 09:45 AM | #3 | ||
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Not much difference between the falcon turbo and the 3.0 litre commy! Haha!
Good stuff! I read that they had to have an average speed of 75km/h. Thats pretty slow though!! I would think that up around 100-110 the ford may be more aerodynamic and get closer or beat the 3.0. At these slow speeds aero doesnt play as big a part. Plus take off the spoiler and put skinny wheels on them! Last edited by EDManual; 26-10-2009 at 09:48 AM. Reason: bad speeling.... :-) |
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26-10-2009, 09:57 AM | #4 | ||
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Holden Viva - a truly awful 2star crash rating light car - used 7.34L/100km
Ford XR6T - a wonderful, massively powerful/torquey - used 7.31L/100km How embarrasing for General Motors Holden. Fiesta creamed the lot with 3.19L/100km! A great win on the first day for Ford Australia!
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26-10-2009, 09:59 AM | #5 | ||
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Holden Viva - a truly awful 2star crash rating light car - used 7.34L/100km
Ford XR6T - wonderful, massive grunt 5star family car- used 7.31L/100km How embarrasing for General Motors Holden. Fiesta creamed the lot with 3.19L/100km! A great win on the first day for Ford Australia!
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26-10-2009, 10:37 AM | #6 | ||
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What is a Holden Viva? Isn't it an ugly small Daewoo that Holden doesn't sell anymore? That's amazing the big Ford beats it.
Good to see that Ford are doing so well. That result for the XR6 turbo is impressive. I think the extra 100kW the Ford has over the Commodore wagon is worth the half litre extra fuel consumption. The Fiesta result is impressive too, but was expected. ADR consumption figures are a combined rating aren't they? I think this challenge shows mostly that if you take it easy on the Highway you save fuel. |
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26-10-2009, 10:42 AM | #7 | |||
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As an example, we traveled from our home here in the Barossa to Naracoorte down in the SE of SA. It's an approximate 400km trip. The Peugeot trip computer had the average in the 60's for that trip, but that included driving through Adelaide even though once we were on the freeway, it was 110km/h for the majority of the trip.
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26-10-2009, 10:45 AM | #8 | ||
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Hmmmmm....
Will be interesting to see how this plays out and the marketing that occurs as a result...
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26-10-2009, 11:35 AM | #9 | |||
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XR6T going well so far but its early days. Still, based on those numbers (XR6T versus 3.0 SIDI) a betting man would take a punt on the 4.0 Atmo engine coming very close to knocking the 3.0 SIDI off if it had been entered. If you can get within 0.5 L/100 approx with the turbo the petrol would have to give it a run for its money. As i said in another thread, ford did it with the turbo to get the biggest % improvement overall. The fiesta econetic will go for outright honours and based on early days it is going very well. They said it would do about 3.2 L/100km on the extra urban (highway) cycle and its is doing around that so far. EDIT: Oh and points to the skoda superb. Beating its adr by almost 30% with a 4.87. That is the 2.0 diesel in that car i believe. Mini D is being a bit outclassed by the Fiesta at the moment too....
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26-10-2009, 01:25 PM | #10 | |||
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26-10-2009, 01:32 PM | #11 | ||
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Ah now I seen why both camps have entered fuel suckers. The Maloo is a very good highway cruiser compared to what it sucks down around town. Still you could drive the Fiesta around town at full thottle and beat both of them for outright in corner speed and still use less fuel than they do on the highway:P
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26-10-2009, 01:48 PM | #12 | |||
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26-10-2009, 01:58 PM | #13 | ||
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Surely the % improvement isn't the deciding factor...the ADR is just a system in which vehicles are tested. Im assuming the claimed figures are combined cycles and not highway, if so how is that relevant?
I would have thought whoever uses the least amount of fuel who be the winner. The HSV is still ugly, poor wild life having to be subjected to that going past, where is the RSPCA when you need them.
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26-10-2009, 02:11 PM | #14 | ||
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It's interesting that the Maloo results for day 1 dont appear on the official website. 5.34L/100km (according to the drive article) sounds a little suspect to me.
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No, I'm not some eco-hippy hugging trees all day. I like my cars like the next person. It's a bit hard to look past the $17 cost to drive (supposedly) from Adelaide to Melbourne. Curious to see at the end of it all if the Internode/Eco Challenge people also take in to account the CO2 emission used to create the power to charge the Tesla as well? Great to see the Falcon doing so well. I wonder why the Maloo's results weren't up yesterday with the rest of the field?
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26-10-2009, 02:23 PM | #16 | ||
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Imagine the costs involved in setting up charge stations everywhere! Ah! LPG is hard enough to get in some outer regions. Amusing that they have a recharge truck following them, kind of counters any environmental gain by the Tesla.
Hyrid etc have a place, its inner CBD's and thats about it.
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26-10-2009, 02:31 PM | #17 | ||
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Somethings bung there....
No way the maloo could use 5.34L/100km one day then 8L/100km the next... I highly doubt a 6.2L v8 could actually use 5.34L/100km. Looking at the xr6t it used 7.3 then 7.1 suggesting leg 2 was better on economy. |
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26-10-2009, 03:05 PM | #18 | ||
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The Maloo would probably consume around 5.3l/100km if the road was all down hill, or if it was being towed.
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26-10-2009, 03:18 PM | #19 | ||
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Do they have a time they have to do it bye,
Or are they just doing 70 clicks in 6th gear . |
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26-10-2009, 03:22 PM | #20 | ||
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The comments regarding fully electric vehicles and charging - I think at this stage the main appeal for an all electric vehicle would be for use within a reasonably short distance of home, so you could commute to work and back, or make other relatively short trips, and just plug the car in to a power point to charge it. A couple hundred km is a decent distance for most trips anyway. For long hauls at this stage petroleum is a better option, but with more and more electric vehicles reaching the consumer (which will happen), there's incentive there for a rollout of charging stations.
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Currently and into the foreseeable future Australia and most countries rely on atleast 70% (if not more) of its energy to be produced by coal.........so thats the first thing that needs to be changed. I went to a presentation where the idea was to have a LPG electricity generator at home to supply electricity in peak times and even to return to the grid as using the gas to produce electricity is cheaper than what we currently pay, by a far bit. Was interesting.
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26-10-2009, 04:18 PM | #24 | ||
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Electrics are actually worse on highway cruising because their regenerative braking doesn't get used.
Actually, don't know about 'worse' but certainly aren't any better. There is a graph about their range capacity, their best range is at ~25mph? Was on the internode blog I believe. ^beaten. natural gas generation is at least twice, or up 75% lower on CO2 emission I believe. Producing electricity at scale also helps the benefit of reduction in co2 (as opposed to every car running on petrol) |
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If this isn't a typo and rectified soon, this event looses all credibility...
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26-10-2009, 04:39 PM | #26 | ||
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Well if there average speed needs to be 75k's he could be sitting in 6th gear doing 80ks .
Depending on how much stop start there is on the trip but if there is 90% highway it could be done |
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26-10-2009, 04:58 PM | #27 | |||
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And what about the the co2 emmisions from the coal burning power stations that will charge those electric cars? what about all the diesel thats burnt by the trucks and the machinery to dig it out of the ground and transport it to the power station??
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26-10-2009, 07:17 PM | #28 | ||
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like they said, they arent topping up the cars to the brim, like they were at the start. They will be topped up to the brim on the last fill.
I know What they mean with the 5l/100 maloo, its this: at the start its Full to the brim next fill goes until the 1st click. And so it takes 10 litres less. So economy is greater. next fill goes until the 1st click, and so it takes the same as the last fill, so economy is true. |
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26-10-2009, 08:04 PM | #29 | ||
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It's quite wierd the claimed day 1 number for the maloo because it is not only noticeably lower than day 2 (when almost every other car burnt more on day 1) but it would have contained some city driver around darwin. Dowling noted that some teams did not realise the event started after fueling up right after scrutineering. Not after leaving the darwin launch event itself. Even if everyone else burnt more because of that error, why would the maloo burn more on the highway leg?? Especially when you consider that the whole reason the HSV is winning %wise is because its rubbish ADR number (14.1) is generate due to woeful city fuel economy.
EDIT: Just found this carpoint story from dowling explaining things.... After the kerfuffle of refueling figures yesterday (some cars took on less fuel than others because the pumps were running hot) the figures seemed to have balanced out a bit today. The HSV Maloo took on the most fuel (about 55 litres) but this made up for the fact that it took on less than expected on day one. The Ford XR6 Turbo took on about 47 litres today. So with the two days combined, the HSV Maloo and Ford XR6 Turbo are separated by just 3 litres of consumption. However, these are provisional figures only until the cars are refueled on the final day. http://www.carpoint.com.au/reviews/2...nge-2009-17173 based on correct numbers it illusrates the XR6T at 7.16 and the Maloo at 7.1. Of course the final values will be equalized when topped off completely to their filler necks on the last day. Given the highway nature of the route its looking ok so far since the Maloo will likely suffer in the city cycle in adelaide. Wouldn't surprise me if the maloo still wins anyway since it has a much higher ADR value (14.1 versus 11.7)
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26-10-2009, 08:57 PM | #30 | ||
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Why base the test on how much better the cars real economy figures are than ADR figures? Logic assumes the winner should be the car that uses the least fuel, or maybe even a simple calculation based on power/displacement to fuel used ratio. so imagine if Maloo wins, this thing will be marketed to death giving the false impression it used the less fuel since majority of people probably think that is what determines the winner.
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