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05-01-2012, 10:29 AM | #1 | |||
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http://www.caradvice.com.au/153524/f...itory-futures/
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05-01-2012, 11:18 AM | #2 | ||
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05-01-2012, 11:31 AM | #3 | ||
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Hmmm there are some positives and negatives all throughout that.
Atleast they admit to having to do better with fleets and having pulled out of some segments has hurt to their robustness. If EB4 and LPI cant address these then its all too late....im not giving up hope on a GWRD car though, the Ford brand needs it IMO. The catch22 is Ford dont really seem to have an answer yet, the longer it goes the worse news it will be, and the press will hound them and scare monger until they get an answer which in turn hurts Ford.
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05-01-2012, 11:37 AM | #4 | |||
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A lot of subtle hints there, my money is that Falcon and Territory are gone, but they don't have the future vehicles to succeed them just yet. What I want to know is where does Ford Australias manufacturing future stand? Would people buy a aussie built Mondeo/Fusion? If Territory goes, will we be offered the new Explorer?
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05-01-2012, 11:38 AM | #5 | ||
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Whilst I love my Falcons, provided Ford Oz have a large say and development (like they did for T6 Ranger), then its not going to be "all" bad.
No way they can keep going with Falcon being on its own here Oz/NZ and sparingly in Sth Africa..just not commercial.
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05-01-2012, 11:46 AM | #6 | ||
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i guess the car markets are looking pretty bleak . i just went down to holden for a looksy , and they had no SS commadores to show me ( zip, zero,none) . they were 42k driveaway 2 months ago . all sold out . but guess what SSV'S avail and hsvs sitting there , i think i was the only customer walking around , a salesman never approached , i had to walk in the office and ask . no SS's to show you , nothing to drive , but if you want an ss we can order a 2012 one at 44k driveaway , we just cant show you one and have none for you to drive . needless to say away i walked .
ford arent offering anything in the 40's bracket accept maybe xr6t . but no MKII's yet the territory ts maybe . the fg is kind've suffering old model status now , like the VE . |
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^^^Which is win win in my book, once the Falcon taps into a global platform then it will have access to more bells and whistles.
Making a Mondeo/focus/whatever here makes zero sense IMO, other Asia Pacific places can do it cheaper. Plus with EB4 and LPI who needs a Mondeo once a "GRWD" car gets all the goodies.
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05-01-2012, 12:00 PM | #10 | ||
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Look who the author of the article is.
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05-01-2012, 12:07 PM | #11 | ||
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I thought there would never come a day that I didn't need a Falcon/Commodore type car in my driveway.... but it has been here for a couple of years.
I simply don't need or want that type of car since having kids. I want an "all in one" machine that does everything from the shopping to running up the beach to returning great economy - and there are plenty of options out there. Kill it in its current guise, get on the global platform and start making better profits. |
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05-01-2012, 12:09 PM | #12 | ||
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Sunday Mail 01/01/2012 said "Mondeo will replace Falcon !!!!" No one really knows and those that do are keeping very quiet....
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I lost a little bit of respect for that mag when I found out those blokes were writing for them. I dont think that article is overly scaving.
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05-01-2012, 12:17 PM | #14 | ||
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Is the equivalent Ford Falcon in America the Taurus? It looks simlar to the FG range and is using the same Eco Boost engine. It will also come with a 3.5L twin turbo V6 Eco boost engine as well.
Hasn't Holden always done it with the Commodore except the VE? I'm sure Ford Australia can adapt it to suit our crummy road conditions. I quite like it. I was concerned this might happen, but after looking at the ford america website i say bring it here! Sad to see the straight 6 engine go. Plenty of warm and fuzzy stuff as well that isn't available here. Looks promising! You can see the FG was styled of the design as well.
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i heard holdens were down to a single shift again
or have dropped a shift one or the other
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05-01-2012, 12:21 PM | #16 | ||
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Well with the Falcon selling a total of 18,741 cars in 2011 I seriously can not see the business justification to keep investing more money into R&D ... and I think that's exactly what Ford's president Asia Pacific and Africa Joe Hinrichs said: "At the current investment cycle that we are in the answer to that is yes." - Ford is happy to keep selling the Falcon as is since all the development is already complete and paid for, but its very unlikely that more development dollars will be spent on this model unless its sold glabally.
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I look at this and it brings back memories of the stories behind Mitsubishi's commitment to the local market. The ABC had published stories of their imminent closure for 8 years before it happened but it was almost like the press willed it to happen.
With a conscious decision to not participate in certain fleet markets it comes across that they wanted to wean customers off of the Falcon if it were to disappear. The taxi market in particular.
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You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that there is only bad news to come from this. If there was good news, Ford would be shouting it out from the rooftops, not beating around the bush with endless spin.
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05-01-2012, 12:34 PM | #19 | |||
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05-01-2012, 12:37 PM | #20 | |||
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05-01-2012, 12:40 PM | #21 | ||
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So I shouldn't bother holding out for a 5.0 XR8.....
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05-01-2012, 12:52 PM | #22 | ||
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from a business point of view you would be a fool to guarantee any product beyond a year or two with the world economics and changing markets , might as well ask the CEO what the weather is going to be in 2016.
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05-01-2012, 12:58 PM | #23 | ||
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Holden is not the enemy, they are in the trenches with Ford.
The enemy brands come from Japan and Korea. Sad days...but all things must end I suppose.
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05-01-2012, 02:29 PM | #24 | ||
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If Ford does wind up local manufacturing operations in the next few years it's going to impact negatively on Holden (and to a lesser extent Toyota).
The reason for this is that a lot of the component suppliers supply all 3 of the car companies (Ford / Holden / Toyota) & spread their overhead costs across each unit sold. Toyota has the advantage that they assemble a global product and could conceivably import components (further increasing the cost pressure on locally manufactured components) in the short term / medium term. Holden having a unique product doesn't have the same options as Toyota on a large part of their components and will either - absorb their suppliers costs (although there'd be some reduction from lowering production but not on a 1:1 ratio) & either increase the prices of their vehicles or make less profit / unit sold. - Looking at sourcing more components from overseas, but with the leadtimes involved it would need to be started sooner rather then later - Review their Australian operations like Mitsubishi did. For Australia to continue competitive manufacturing operations it needs to be able to produce & sell a certain amount of volume each year (whether its spread over a single manufacturer or all 3). The large vehicle segment has been on decline for a number of years now and it's going to be difficult to arrest, let alone claw market share back. The only way that I can see local manufacturing being here in 20 x years time is to build cars that people want to buy and whether you like it or not in today's climate that's small to medium & probably with a starting price under $30K. |
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Something like the Focus is perfect to build here as you can then build the Kuga off it too. Also with the release of the electric and hybrid Focus being released there would be serios government cash to get the projects going.
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Can't see car manufacturing taking place in OZ in the near future.....
Aust has one of the highest costs of living in the world and as such high rates of pay. Our labour costs can't compete when compared to SE Asia. Aust has a free trade agreement with the US and pretty much all of SE asia under AANZ free trade agreement (ASEAN). General duty rates have been lowered progressively over the last 15 years. So the protection through duties that our car industry once had will be gone eventually. From Ford's prespective they would not dream of manufacturing a global car in Australia unless it had no other options. The costs per unit compared to manufacturing in SE Asia would be to high. The fact that Fiesta is now manufactured in a hub area (Thailand) leads me to beleive that this is the type business model that Ford will follow.
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05-01-2012, 02:52 PM | #28 | |||
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FoA, I think (correct me if I am wrong), dont have the capacity to build large numbers anyway. So why would you build something here that you can in Thailand et al. The falcons decline has alot to do with its market perception than its engineering ability. I mean when the mondeo is sitting in the same showroom, and has more tech and is cheaper then it makes life hard. Perhaps the damage is done, and if GWRD goes ahead a name change wouldnt hurt.
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Wages are only a small component of a vehicle's cost, there are many other factors. Nowadays Goverment support is the main driver. Look at expensive England, they have had a massive resurgence in their local car making - but their government provides more support per head of population than our government. similarly Thailand government provides massive support for their local industry. |
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You also need to add the labour cost all the way along the supply chain as well. And... then the wages of FoA. Ford will look on the operation as a whole. If the case is that they can make more money from shifting production OS, they will likely do it. Its likely that actuaries have already run the numbers and signed off on it. Aussie government has also committed to getting themselves back to surplus, which means less $$$ to be handed out.
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