ecoboost torture test

[.FoMoCo.]

Not sure if this has been posted already...

http:// http://news.pickuptrucks.com...ooks-like.html

The 3.5 litre ecoboost V6 was randomly selected from the ford production line, run on the dyno for 300 hours to simulate the equivalent of 150,000 miles driving, including repeated temperature shock runs where the engine was cooled to minus 20, then heated to 235 degrees.
Ford then sent the engine to be installed in an F150 4x4, where it was used on a logging site and used as a log-skidder, hauling 110,000 pounds of logs across the ground.
From there, the truck was driven across the country to Homestead Miami Speedway, where it was hooked up to a trailer carrying two of Richard Petty’s Ford Fusion racecars, a load of 11,300 pounds, and run continuously around the track for 24 hours, averaging 82 mph and covering 1,607 miles.
Finally, the 3.5-liter twin-turbo EcoBoost engine was shipped to Mike McCarthy’s race shop in Wickenburg, Ariz., and installed in his 7,100-pound F-150 race truck. McCarthy practiced locally for 1,200 miles and raced the truck in the SCORE Baja 1000, the toughest off-road race in North America, finishing first overall in the new Stock Engine class after 1,062 race miles.
McCarthy said the engine’s fuel economy was so good compared with his previous V-8 engines that he was able to skip two planned fuel stops during the Baja event, which helped him win the class.

After Baja, the thoroughly thrashed and raced engine was shipped back to Ford headquarters in Dearborn, Mich., and dyno-tested once again. It was found to produce 364 horsepower and 420 pounds-feet of torque, just one horsepower less than its rating and exactly the same output as its nominal torque rating, according to Ford.

A leakdown test was performed to measure how well the engine’s 24 intake and exhaust valves and piston rings were still able to seal the cylinders. One cylinder was found to have a cautionary 13 percent air loss past the combustion chamber’s seals, while all other cylinders were acceptable with single digits of air leakage.

The same engine was then sent to the Detroit auto show where it was totally stripped in front of a live audience of over a thousand people. The engine was found to be well within tolerances for valve lash, timing chain tension, cylinder bore wear, turbo wear, bearings, etc, etc.

The only thing I noticed was a bit of carbon build up in the cylinders. There may be an issue with these DI engines and carbon, but looking at this test, I think it held up fairly well.

This is after 163,000 miles of tough endurance testing!

Incredible!

First off, what an amazing marketing exercise by ford. The scale and depth of what the testing involved is just astounding.

And how about the quality of these engines? I hope that the ecoboost 4 will be just as good...

[calais]

I wonder just how well other engines would fare in a similar test.

Its a testament to fords faith in the ecoboost thats for sure.

[.FoMoCo.]

Absolutely. This ecoboost thing could be a game changer.

[GASWAGON]

Watch all of these.....very impressive indeed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSLBBzJS388

[dylancox]

A Barra 6T would hold up as good or even better?

[z80]

Originally Posted by .FoMoCo.

....This is after 163,000 miles of tough endurance testing!

Incredible!

...

Don't want to be a stick in the mud, but 300 hours on a dyno isn't 150,000 miles, unless it was doing 500 miles an hour.....


So the figures are a little sensationalized.

[.FoMoCo.]

Originally Posted by z80

Don't want to be a stick in the mud, but 300 hours on a dyno isn't 150,000 miles, unless it was doing 500 miles an hour.....


So the figures are a little sensationalized.

It was "equivalent" miles, not actual miles. The thermal shock testing put way more wear on the engine than would normally be experienced.

Imagine running your engine at WOT until it was red hot, then pumping it full of fluid that was at minus 20 degrees Fahrenheit. Repeatedly.

Also, sorry that link wasn't working.
here: http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2011/01...ooks-like.html

[.FoMoCo.]

More on durability testing on the 3.5 litre V6 ecoboost engine:

http://media.ford.com/article_displa...ticle_id=29944


" Ford engineers proved out the turbochargers by running them at 950 degrees Celsius for10 minutes and then “shocking” the turbos by running them at room temperature for10 minutes.The tests were repeated at maximum boost continuously for hundreds of hours, under far more severe conditions than customers are expected to dish out."

"EcoBoost also endured Ford’s standard engine durability test signoff by running at maximum revs and turbo boost for the equivalent of 15 straight days or 360 hours."

Does anyone know if these turbos are the same ones that will be fitted to the eb4?

The turbos are rated to 150,000 miles or 10 years.

[Cúl-Báire]

Fantastic advertising, and a great way to coax the american "truck" buyer to look at the V6 Ecoboost option... I would love to see Ford pollute our TV's with similar advertising.

[.FoMoCo.]

Couldnt agree more. They would be well served to ride on the coat-tails of this test. Maybe they could set up a similar endurance test for the eb4 here?

What was the endurance test back in the 60s they set up for the falcon....xp maybe?

[babyf6]

Shows what Ford can do

[GTBenny]

Pitty Ford Oz don't advertise their engines and testing like this.

Benny.

[Nic85]

So, Ford volunteer to test a Ford engine, then ship the engine around America to be used, all paid for by Ford, the engine was then sent back to Ford for final testing, before Ford released their findings... According to Ford.

Excuse me for being slightly cynical, but I think believing all that is credulous at best. I'm not saying it didn't happen, and I'm sure it's a great motor. I just would like some independent verification is all.

[jpd80]

Close to half of all F150s sold are fitted with the Ecoboost V6, American buyers have voted with their wallets.
45% Ecoboost, 45% 5.0 V8, 5% 3.7 V6 and just 5% 6.2 V8 sales, Ecoboost has effectively displaced the 6.2 V8
by matching its tow rating and killing it on fuel economy...

[babyf6]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Close to half of all F150s sold are fitted with the Ecoboost V6, American buyers have voted with their wallets.
45% Ecoboost, 45% 5.0 V8, 5% 3.7 V6 and just 5% 6.2 V8 sales, Ecoboost has effectively displaced the 6.2 V8
by matching its tow rating and killing it on fuel economy...

Not saying i don't like ecoboost but beating a 6.2l V8 for fuel economy isn't to hard.

[.FoMoCo.]

Originally Posted by Nic85

So, Ford volunteer to test a Ford engine, then ship the engine around America to be used, all paid for by Ford, the engine was then sent back to Ford for final testing, before Ford released their findings... According to Ford.

Excuse me for being slightly cynical, but I think believing all that is credulous at best. I'm not saying it didn't happen, and I'm sure it's a great motor. I just would like some independent verification is all.

Let's say there's 70 percent truth in it, and the rest is marketing hyperbole.... Still impressive.

Purely from a marketing standpoint, this is a stroke of genius, the confidence they are demonstrating in their own product is amazing. I severely doubt they could get away with such a misleading test under the scrutiny of the media without being honest.

Maybe FOA could pay attention here ....

[babyf6]

Originally Posted by .FoMoCo.

Let's say there's 70 percent truth in it, and the rest is marketing hyperbole.... Still impressive.

Purely from a marketing standpoint, this is a stroke of genius, the confidence they are demonstrating in their own product is amazing. I severely doubt they could get away with such a misleading test under the scrutiny of the media without being honest.

Maybe FOA could pay attention here ....

Agreed

[.FoMoCo.]

Originally Posted by babyf6

Not saying i don't like ecoboost but beating a 6.2l V8 for fuel economy isn't to hard.

You're right. But when it can match it's tow rating, and beat the economy figures, this puts it in petspective.
Remember, this engine is pumping out 365 horsepower, 420 ft.lb of torque (90% usable from 1700 rpm) - 0-100 time of 6.82 secs ... With an economy figure of 10.2 l/100 km (23 mpg).
Tell me that's not impressive.

[babyf6]

of course thats impressive

[davenl5l]

hmmm v6 rear wheel drive eco boost how good would it be in falcon?

[Nic85]

Originally Posted by .FoMoCo.

Let's say there's 70 percent truth in it, and the rest is marketing hyperbole.... Still impressive.

Purely from a marketing standpoint, this is a stroke of genius, the confidence they are demonstrating in their own product is amazing. I severely doubt they could get away with such a misleading test under the scrutiny of the media without being honest.

Maybe FOA could pay attention here ....

You're right. It showcases what Ford as a company can do, and if nothing else, from a marketing standpoint, it's genius. Something which Ford Australia can't seem to find.

Originally Posted by .FoMoCo.

You're right. But when it can match it's tow rating, and beat the economy figures, this puts it in petspective.
Remember, this engine is pumping out 365 horsepower, 420 ft.lb of torque (90% usable from 1700 rpm) - 0-100 time of 6.82 secs ... With an economy figure of 10.2 l/100 km (23 mpg).
Tell me that's not impressive.

I wish they would put that engine along with the 6.7L Power Stroke into the Ranger.

[.FoMoCo.]

Originally Posted by davenl5l

hmmm v6 rear wheel drive eco boost how good would it be in falcon?

I was waiting for someone to say it! That would be awesome.

[madmelon]

I think you'll find that the engine is tested for 3000 hours on the endurance test, not 300. I suspect 300 hours is the time spent at maximum power over the test.

FYI, this sort of testing is not uncommon- Ford has just decided to market it. Same sort of thing is done with transmissions and axles.

[.FoMoCo.]

this first part video shows the dyno endurance runs and explains how they achieved accelerated wear on the engine using thermal shock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-fCzBHVFTY

[SM1DY]

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...t=torture+test
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...t=torture+test
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...t=torture+test

[z80]

I guess all car manufacturers (especially Ford) will follow up these remarkable improvements by offering us 250,000k+++ engine warranties.


Melbourne taxi drivers could run similar endurance tests over a 12 month period? (including suspension/pot hole tests)

[Nic85]

Originally Posted by z80

I guess all car manufacturers (especially Ford) will follow up these remarkable improvements by offering us 250,000k+++ engine warranties.


Melbourne taxi drivers could run similar enfdurance tests over a 12 month period?

Kia/Hyundai do. How many KMs could you do in 5 years do you think? Half a mill?

[1TUFFUTE]

if you read all the comments after the utube vids you tend to see if there are any biased or dodgy methods in these tests. The ford ones are nearly always fine...but damn the chevy ones are hopeless...for eg....one test was a checy truck v the f250 and the dodge aswell....uphill with a load at full throttle all the way to the top of a mountain. Apparently the ford has throttle cut out at FULL THROTTLE to protect driveline from wear and heat.. which the others dont. Perfect example of garbage torture or performance tests. Good one chevy

oh yeah and has anyone noticed on that logging show on foxtel that allll the trucks of F series...funny that

[z80]

Originally Posted by Nic85

Kia/Hyundai do. How many KMs could you do in 5 years do you think? Half a mill?

Torquay/Melb everyday= around 250-300k every 5 years.

So 250k warranty would suffice....

[Nic85]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

if you read all the comments after the utube vids you tend to see if there are any biased or dodgy methods in these tests. The ford ones are nearly always fine...but damn the chevy ones are hopeless...for eg....one test was a checy truck v the f250 and the dodge aswell....uphill with a load at full throttle all the way to the top of a mountain. Apparently the ford has throttle cut out at FULL THROTTLE to protect driveline from wear and heat.. which the others dont. Perfect example of garbage torture or performance tests. Good one chevy

oh yeah and has anyone noticed on that logging show on foxtel that allll the trucks of F series...funny that

All the 4x4 tests I've read in 4x4 magazines containing the Silverado, Ram and F250/350 always sees the Ford coming out on top. The only thing the Silverado has is a slightly faster 0-100km/h time, but put a 5 tonne load on the back and the Ford regains the lead due to it's superior torque. 1085Nm @ 1600rpm will do that, .