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Who would have though a 1 litre 3 potter could be such a solid engine for a Focus sized car. What a great achievement.
Cylinder block the size of a piece of A4 paper. |
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07-03-2012, 11:14 PM | #7 | ||
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sound simpressive
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07-03-2012, 11:41 PM | #8 | ||
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Sounds impressive this engine. For smaller sized cars it more than enough for the job i say. With this sort of tech coming into petrol engines it will be tough for the diesel engines to compete with upcoming emissions regs.
LOL at Bossxr8's comment....2.0I4T in the falcon a big block! Too right though not when compared to a 4.0I6 let alone a 5.0SC coyote. Shows the future of internal combustion though.....
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08-03-2012, 09:37 AM | #9 | ||
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I've gotta go against the grain here. I hardly see the point of this engine when a small diesel engine is just as powerful, has twice the torque and will use less fuel.
I'll use the Hyundai i30 as a comparison. 1.6L TDi, 85kW/260Nm, 4.5L/100km, 119g/km C02. That's their outgoing model - the new model will be closer to 100kW/280Nm, 4L/100km and 110g/km C02. 6 speed manual or 6 speed auto. The only thing I can see on paper that the Focus will have an advantage in is weight as it'll be about 150kg lighter. I just don't see the point personally in a tiny petrol turbo engine, when a slightly larger turbo diesel will make more power and torque and use less fuel. |
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it will be a more interesting motor in the lighter fiesta.
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08-03-2012, 11:13 AM | #13 | ||
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Interesting idea but it'd be better in the Fiesta I reckon.
Lol at it being banned for vic p platers. |
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08-03-2012, 11:21 AM | #14 | ||
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The little Ecoboost will be replacing the 1.6 NA engine in the rest of the world so hopefully Ambiente will follow.
So this will become the base engine in the Focus, not an option like the 2.0 TDCI or the 1.6 TDCI offered elsewhere. these days, Diesel Fords are like unobtainium as Ford Europe holds it diesel engine stock close at hand.. |
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08-03-2012, 01:34 PM | #15 | ||
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Ecoboost replacement guide (as I understand it):
- 1.0Litre I3 Ecoboost replaces 1.6Litre I4 - 1.6Litre I4 Ecoboost replaces 2.5Litre I4 - 2.0Litre I4 Ecoboost replaces 3.0Litre V6 - 3.5Litre V6 Ecoboost replaces 6.0Litre V8 The line up leaves room for a 2.5Litre size EcoBoost (I4 or V6) to replace the 3.5-3.7Litre V6s...could that be the 2.7Litre 'Nano' V6 Ecoboost? I'd also like to see a small EcoBoost V8, maybe around 3.2Litres, as a future replacement for the Mustang 5.0Litre V8 Oh and an Ecoboost version of the 5.0Litre V8 as a replacement for the Supercharged 5.8Litre GT500 V8
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By looking at the video, you can see that changing the timing belt would be a pain. Hopefully it is as long life as promised.
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Big power out of a one litre motor? Motorbike riders have known that for years........
In all seriousness, these ecoboost motors seem to be the ducks guts.
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Seriously if you need to buy a car that's 1.0lt to save on petrol, maybe you should drive all together.
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No doubt it's a good effort, but I wasn't arguing that, nor was it my point. My point was that I don't see the point of an engine like this, when you can use a slightly larger engine with diesel and make the same power, but twice the torque and use less fuel. Seems like a no brainer to me, but I'm sure they know something I don't. |
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Euro 6 in Europe is making things hard (read expensive) for diesels and so a lot of companies are no ramping up Direct Injection turbo petrol strategies.. The point is that this engine will be the basic in Focus in Europe, a diesel will carry a premium price to buy. |
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look at the torque of that little engine, take the lower figure of 125 ft lbs from 1500 rpm to 4500 rpm, i doubt it will be strip demon , but it should motor along pretty good.
i had an old work hack 2.o litre corona to leave at the truck depot years ago, it only had 86 hp and 107 ft lbs of torque at 3600 rpm and it used to scoot along ok, and i agree BigDamo, it would go well in the Fiesta. |
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that is very impressive , it`s hard to see this little engine not being a big winner for ford.
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I would love to think Geelong could be converted to I-3 and maybe I-4 engine production for the Asia pacific region.
Making other Ecoboost engines with cast iron blocks would bring down the costs and make the tech more accessible to asia. It would also help Ford Australia with work for an existing asset... |
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10-03-2012, 12:14 AM | #28 | |||
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As for diesels being like tractor engines, well they’ve come a long way, and I can’t imagine a 3 pot being that smooth either. Turbo-charging the guts out of a small engine to get more power aint exactly new, so whilst the modern control systems, direct injection, and miller cycle have refined the concept, I still have doubts about their economy and longevity when driven hard.
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Longevity of late model diesels are more of a question mark. Stuff like injector pumps, injectors, particulate filters, variable geometry turbos etc.
I certainly wouldnt want to own one out of warranty...
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