2013 Renault Clio

[Wretched]

Last week, Renault told us that it would blow the covers off the new Clio MK4 on Tuesday, July 3, but Carscoop reader Zed S. has already discovered the first official image of the French carmaker's supermini lurking on one of the company's public websites in Europe.

With the fourth generation Clio Renault brings its new and more distinct design language previewed through a series of concept models like the Captur crossover, the Frendzy MPV and to some extent, even the Alpine A110-50, to the masses and the highly popular European B-segment.

The Clio's body comes wrapped in a sheetmetal full of curves and creases with comparatively large headlamps, slabs of chrome under the windows and above the side skirts while it also features hidden rear-door handles for a more dynamic and sportier look.

We don't have any pictures of the interior yet, but Renault insiders have said in the past that the new Clio's cabin will sport higher-quality materials and have a more defined and emotional design.

We'll have full details and an analysis on the Clio Mk4 tomorrow.

Photo Credits: Renault

I'm keen to see this in sport/cup form.
Hopefully it doesn't grow in length and weight too much.
I'm sure it will be a ripper just like the current one.

[turbodewd]

Good looking car. Id never buy one personally. Does it really need an aerial on the roof? The Falcon has had in-glass aerials since 2002.

[EDManual]

the problem with the new clio sport is that it is turbocharged. (boring flat torquey power compared to the current sport rs cup where you constantly change gears to keep the revvy power going which is fantastic fun!)
NA engines cant pass new emissions targets sadly, so if you want the best clio, you should go get one of the runout model.

[Wretched]

[Dave_Obsession]

Looks like a winner to me.

Some friends of mine are real Renault enthusiasts...2012 Clio RS, 2011 Megane RS Trophee, 2007 Megane Sport...all good cars!

EDIT - First thing that sprang to mind was that it looks like a VW Golf and a Kia Rio had a baby...

[makattkd]

Ther Renault RS range of cars are fantasic, I recently had the opportunity to co-drive a Megane 250RS Cup in Targa Tasmania. There wasn't a great deal of things I could pick wrong in it, oodles of torque, handling was amazing, LSD and chassis are set up really well, no evidence of torque steer.

I was offered a great deal on one, and was so close to replacing my FG with a frog.

I was put off though by the parts being hard to get and expensive. (We had a minor accident at Targa and the repair bill was quite a shock).
And typically they seem to have pretty poor resale.

Which is a shame.

[Franco Cozzo]

Interior looks a bit bland to me, other than that I quite like it.

[Bossxr8]

Anyone else having flashbacks to the AU dash pod with this things interior?

Similar sort of shape right in the middle of the dash.

[Danny]

Press Release: Renault Clio

Since the launch of the original model in 1990, some 11.5 million Clios have been sold in more than 115 countries. Today, a new chapter in Renault Clio's history is about to be written with the unveiling of the fourth-generation version.

"New Clio is set to make a real mark. In addition to an unprecedented package of innovations, its design marks a major shift from that of previous models." Carlos Tavares (Chief Operating Officer)

New Renault Clio, an incarnation of the brand's new styling identity

New Renault Clio is the first production model to give full expression to the Renault design renaissance inspired by Laurens van den Acker, Senior Vice-President, Corporate Design. The promise was to take the style and emotion of the brand's latest concept cars and carry them over to production models. Renault's new supermini fulfils that promise.

"New Renault Clio was conceived as a piece of sensuous sculpture which stimulates desire. Like muscles, its curves express the dynamism radiated by the DeZir concept car. No acute or aggressive angles, just voluptuous curves that make you want to go up to it and caress it." Laurens van den Acker (Senior Vice President, Corporate Design)

Balanced, dynamic exterior proportions

New Clio stands out through its front-end design which features a prominent Renault logo, set bold and upright to a gloss black background, an arrangement first seen on the DeZir concept car. This frontal treatment is further emphasised by the headlights - the lower edge of which is picked out in chrome - and LED daytime running lights. Offered only in five-door form, New Renault Clio has a sporty silhouette, accentuated by integrated rear door handles concealed close to the rear quarter lights. In comparison with its predecessor, it packs extra dynamism and personality thanks to a lower ride height, wider tracks, wheels pushed out wide within the arches, and a reduction in the gap between the wheels and wheel arches. From launch, New Clio will be offered in a choice of eight body colours, including the launch colour which is derived from the red used for DeZir.


2013 Renault Clio
A fresh, welcoming, occupant-friendly cabin

Safe, protective and refreshing, the interior of New Renault Clio perfectly complements the exterior style to inspire confidence and energy. Comfort goes hand-in-hand with a modern feel and user-friendliness thanks to the dashboard sculpted in the shape of an aircraft wing, the optimally-positioned multimedia system on the centre console, a wide range of colour options, a digital speedometer, comfortable seats and chrome and gloss-black trim highlights.

Broadest-ever personalisation programme & long list of affordable options

Exterior and interior personalisation was dialled into New Renault Clio's design process at the outset. From launch, buyers will be able to personalise the outside of their car with a selection of colour touches to the front grille, rear and side door inserts. To personalise the interior, the menu covers the dashboard, door panels, steering wheel, grab handles, gear lever and air vent surrounds, upholstery materials and optional floor mats. Thanks to attractively-priced option packs, buyers are able to choose the look and feel they prefer.

New Renault Clio: packed with innovations

When it comes to innovation, Renault's new supermini retains Clio's tradition of redefining expectations within its class and raising the standards for small cars.

Renault R-Link - an integrated tablet connected to the car and internet

Having been first with notable innovations such as steering wheel-mounted radio controls (1982, R11 Electronic) and in-car navigation (1994, Safrane), after bringing keyless entry to the volume market (in 2001) and GPS navigation with a high-resolution screen (Carminat TomTom® priced at £450 for Clio in 2009), and having launched on-board connected navigation in the shape of Carminat TomTom® LIVE for Clio, Renault continues its stream of innovations with Renault R-Link.

Available as standard from Dynamique upwards for New Clio, Renault R-Link provides a bridge between the car and the connected world outside thanks to:

A wide seven-inch (18cm) touchscreen, intuitive voice commands and, as a market first, a home page that can be personalised by the user for safe and simple access to essential functions, without the driver having to take his or her eyes off the road.
+ TomTom® connected navigation includes Live services and boasts the market's best real-time traffic information, helping to minimise journey times and fuel consumption.
+ Among other benefits, a connection with the car's own electronic systems permits access to an advanced eco-driving function (Driving eco²) which analyses the driver's behaviour and provides advice to help reduce fuel consumption.
+ Thanks to the Renault R-Link Store, the automobile world's first ever Application Store, users can easily view or download a comprehensive and varied range of apps from their car or computer (via 'My Renault').
The scope of Renault R-Link's connected functions will continue to expand thanks to 'Paris Incubateurs' (a Paris-based hot-house for young talent) and to an appeal extended to start-ups at the LeWeb'11 show. Over and above the services provided by TomTom® LIVE and the COYOTE app, which alerts the driver to dangerous situations (in countries where this feature is available), R-Link users can also check their messages, for example, manage their diary, locate the nearest service station or place to park, or send a tweet….
One Renault R-Link app - Renault R-Sound Effect - enables the audio experience inside New Clio to be personalised by immersing the cabin in a specific sound environment. It can simulate six different engine sound profiles, each with a specific, attractive signature and perfectly synchronised with driving parameters such as speed and acceleration.

A world first: Bluetooth® radios with the Renault Bass Reflex system

All versions of New Renault Clio are available with a clever sound system integrated into the front doors' loudspeakers. Known as Renault Bass Reflex, this system delivers the volume and listening enjoyment of a 30-litre home speaker system. Bass frequencies are more powerful and the threshold of saturation and distortion is pushed much higher.

The entire New Clio range features Bluetooth®-equipped radios for hands-free telephone operation and audio streaming from portable music players with excellent sound quality. All radios incorporate USB and jack sockets.

New Renault Clio: a pleasure to drive, and targeting number one status for fuel economy and low CO2 emissions

New Renault Clio combines low fuel consumption with driving pleasure thanks to a significantly updated range of petrol and diesel engines. The two petrol engines (Energy TCe 90 and TCe 120) combine very low fuel consumption and CO2 emissions with responsive performance and mid-range acceleration. The significantly improved new-generation Energy dCi engines bestow New Renault Clio with record-breaking fuel economy for the same driving pleasure.

New Energy TCe 90 petrol engine

New Clio is the first Renault model to feature the new three-cylinder petrol turbocharged Energy TCe 90 engine. This is the first three-cylinder powerplant ever produced by Renault and, from launch, will provide a remarkable balance between driving pleasure and fuel economy:

This three-cylinder, turbocharged 899cc unit comes with Stop&Start and delivers the performance of a normally-aspirated 1.4-litre powerplant,
An ultra low-inertia turbo for satisfying response from low engine speeds: 90hp and 135Nm at 2,000rpm (90 per cent of peak torque available from 1,650rpm to 5,000rpm),
An economy-optimised version with taller gear ratios and fuel consumption of 65.7 mpg, equivalent to CO2 emissions of 99g/km,
A 21 per cent fuel consumption and CO2 emissions savingc compared to the TCe 100 it replaces
New diesel Energy dCi 90

The latest addition to the Energy family is a new 90hp version of the 1.5 dCi, equipped with Stop&Start:

A four-cylinder 1.5-litre engine with 220Nm of torque available from 1,750rpm, an increase of 20Nm over the current dCi 85,
An economy-optimised version with taller gear ratios which also qualifies for the Renault eco2 signature with fuel consumption of 88 mpg, equivalent to CO2 emissions 83g/kmc.
New TCe 120, paired with six-speed EDC automatic transmission

New Clio will be available with the new, dynamic TCe 120 engine mated to six-speed EDC transmission (Efficient Dual Clutch), a first for Renault in the B segment:

A four-cylinder 1.2-litre engine with the performance of a normally-aspirated 1.6 engine,
Direct fuel injection and turbocharging for peak power of 120hp and 190Nm of torque from 1,750rpm.
This engine is currently in the process of being homologated and will become available in the first half of 2013. It will be among the most powerful, yet most economical, engines in its class.

Along with the availability of EDC dual clutch transmission for the dCi 90 engine in the first half of 2013, New Renault Clio will mark a further step in expanding access to the driving pleasure and seamless gearshifts delivered by this responsive and frugal automatic transmission.

Systems designed to promote economical driving

Over and above these engineering features, New Clio offers drivers an integrated suite of efficient solutions to help them reduce their fuel consumption and CO2 emissions:

An ECO mode allows drivers to reduce fuel consumption by as much as 10 percent by modifying the car's performance parameters at the push of a button.
A driving style monitor (green, yellow or orange) and a Gear Change Indicator (GCI) on the dashboardd help drivers improve their driving style to reduce their fuel consumption.
The Driving eco²app available through Renault R-Link provides drivers with a full suite of information, enabling them to analyse their driving style and take corrective measures in order to reduce their fuel consumption and CO2 emissions.
New Renault Clio: a pledge of quality and safety

Manufactured in Flins (France) and Bursa (Turkey), New Renault Clio is built to Renault's exacting quality standards. It is an affordable model that sets high standards in quality, with nothing to fear from larger or more expensive models. New Clio is built on a new version of the Alliance's B platform which has been optimised for outstanding comfort, manoeuvrability and low noise levels.

Safety runs in the family: in 2005, Clio III became the first B-segment model to achieve a five star EuroNCAP crash test rating. Thanks to the comprehensive list of safety features it offers, New Clio, too, seeks to deliver the highest level of safety.

http://www.clio.renault.[country]

Renault is celebrating the launch of New Clio with an innovative, interactive digital strategy delivered in three principal parts:

From July 4, 2012, internet users will be able to view New Renault Clio from all angles, plus photos and videos, at http://www.clio.renault.[country],
From July 12, 2012, Renault will be inviting the website's visitors to take a virtual test drive of the car by immersing themselves in an interactive film,
Lastly, in September 2012, users will experience the final phase of the launch with a surprise linked in to the promotional film.
From July 4, this range of personal and interactive digital experiences will be available at http://www.clio.renault.[country], a promotional toolkit which will function on computers, tablets and smartphones.

The Clio success story: 22 years, and counting!

Launched in 1990, Clio can already look back at a career spanning 22 years, with more than 11.5 million cars sold in more than 115 countries. During that time, Renault Clio has played a pivotal role in the history not only of Renault but also of the European market for small, versatile cars. Its trademark throughout has been to draw the segment upwards by bringing the qualities and equipment levels of superior classes to a wider audience. Clio is the only car to have been awarded the Car of the Year title twice.

1990: Clio I goes on sale, winning the Car of the Year award for 1991.
1991-1993: Introduction of Clio Williams and Clio Baccara, highly regarded sports and premium versions.
1998: Launch of Clio II, the first car in its segment to earn a four-star EuroNCAP crash test rating. It also popularised the separate display for the radio, automatic climate control and navigation with a colour screen.
2000: Renault Clio Renault Sport and Clio V6 explode onto the sports scene.
2005: Debut of Clio III, the first B-segment model to score a five-star EuroNCAP crash test rating. Widespread take-up of the Renault-card keyless entry system.
2006: Clio III is named Car of the Year.
2007: The segment's first 1.2 litre petrol turbo engine.
2008: For the first time, Renault Clio is available in Sport Tourer form.
2009: Launch of Carminat TomTom®, bringing navigation to the volume market.
2010: Renault Clio celebrates its 20th anniversary, as sales reach more than 11 million units.





















New engines, a new 3 Cylinder Turbo, great looks, excellently equipped, if Renault Aus price this correctly it deserves to sell.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Wretched

I'm keen to see this in sport/cup form.
Hopefully it doesn't grow in length and weight too much.
I'm sure it will be a ripper just like the current one.

The RS Clio 4 will be unveiled in September with the 1.6L Turbo (Renault fans are mourning the loss of the F4R NA 2.0L). Word around the Renault traps is that the new Clio 4 RS has lost 100kg from Clio 3 RS (making it around 1100kg), and gained 10 or so hp Making the car 210hp, and only 1100kg!! That will ensure a car with performance similar or near line ball with the mighty Megane 250.

DSG will be an option on the new RS with Flappy Paddles, and the car has a twin exhaust, front rear diffusers,and will be 5 door only and that is about all that is known at the moment.

The most saddening thing for RS Philes is the retirement of the mighty NA F4R 2.0, what a wonderful revvy, torquey engine it was, and the sound! We will miss that engine in the move to Clio 4's 1.6T.

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Interior looks a bit bland to me, other than that I quite like it.

That is likely a base interior. Personalisation apparently approaching MINI levels. Colours finishes etc are interchangeable. More pics of different interiors in the Clio 4 here

http://www.flickr.com/photos/upcomin...7630403493376/

Originally Posted by turbodewd

Good looking car. Id never buy one personally. Does it really need an aerial on the roof? The Falcon has had in-glass aerials since 2002.

The FG Utes have aerials, so do BMW's and Mercs, Clio's have also had keyless proximity cards for 7 or so years, auto wipers and auto climate control since 1998's Clio 2, Xenon Self levelling headlights optional since 2002, as well as ESP, theyve had a Euro NCAP 5 star rating since 2005's Clio 3.

Make no mistake, these cars are worlds ahead of the Humble Falcon.

[b0son]

wow ... 210hp and 1100kg ... I might trade the RS250 for one....

[fou_bleu]

I'm really liking this new design direction for Renault! This is one of the best looking cars in the segment and I really think that interior is a perfect blend of form and function.

Also, Renault had an RS prototype at Goodwood FoS (http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2012/07...mk4-makes.html) and now I'm really excited to see it!

[LeadFoot81]

Wow. There are so many great looking, well equipped super-minis coming out nowadays!! And manufacturers are making sure they're fun to drive as well!! Its going to be a tough decision come trade-up time.

That centre console reminds me of an iPhone.

[new2ford]

Whatever turns you on. I drove a friend's Clio for a few weeks and found it a particularly unpleasant little car to drive. The underlying point is that it's French and French cars have a poor quality and reliability reputation. The friend's parent told me horrendous stories of service costs and the cost of parts if something went wrong (which it inevitably did) - and that's on top of waiting for the part to come from overseas. (Their son wouldn't of course admit to these imperfections in his pride and joy, especially as mum and dad paid the bills!)

[lockieoc]

Originally Posted by makattkd

I was put off though by the parts being hard to get and expensive. (We had a minor accident at Targa and the repair bill was quite a shock).
And typically they seem to have pretty poor resale.

Which is a shame.

Just out of curiosity.
You weren't the ones that put it into the guard rail at the start at one of the stages?

[Fab]

Good looking car.
Looks a bit like a VW Golf.

[Franco Cozzo]

Interior on those ones look quite nice, plus the French are kings of FWD so you know its going to be good.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Fab

Good looking car.
Looks a bit like a VW Golf.

looks more alfa mito to me

[GULL]

I have to disagree with you here,yes its french and so what!I have had 4 renaults and drive the latest rs clio at the moment and i have not had 1 problem with any of them.You dont buy an clio rs for the quality of the interior,you buy it for the motor and they way it goes round bends and the way it makes you smile I could go on and on about fords and there quality ! after sales service etc.I will say there resale is bad,but thats the joys of driving a car not many australians know about.

Originally Posted by new2ford

Whatever turns you on. I drove a friend's Clio for a few weeks and found it a particularly unpleasant little car to drive. The underlying point is that it's French and French cars have a poor quality and reliability reputation. The friend's parent told me horrendous stories of service costs and the cost of parts if something went wrong (which it inevitably did) - and that's on top of waiting for the part to come from overseas. (Their son wouldn't of course admit to these imperfections in his pride and joy, especially as mum and dad paid the bills!)

[b0son]

Originally Posted by GULL

I have to disagree with you here,yes its french and so what!I have had 4 renaults and drive the latest rs clio at the moment and i have not had 1 problem with any of them.

lucky you. i had an ABS module fail on my RS250... took 2 weeks to fix.

it doesnt help that there are so few dealers, so even the smallest issue is a hassle because you write off half your day having to go to/from the dealer. rinse and repeat if they dont know how to fix (which also seems to be an issue based on my experience). to be fair, I think this would be an issue for any low-selling brand with a small dealer network.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by new2ford

Whatever turns you on. I drove a friend's Clio for a few weeks and found it a particularly unpleasant little car to drive. The underlying point is that it's French and French cars have a poor quality and reliability reputation. The friend's parent told me horrendous stories of service costs and the cost of parts if something went wrong (which it inevitably did) - and that's on top of waiting for the part to come from overseas. (Their son wouldn't of course admit to these imperfections in his pride and joy, especially as mum and dad paid the bills!)

Oh yeah, MAD!

While we're making generalisations, you'd be crazy to keep buying Ford Falcons like I have when every single one I had has frequently had niggling and major issues from new, requiring countless episodes of downtime. To boot, Falcons have poor resale (Resale?? They sell BRAND NEW FG's for tens of thousands less than RRP), the dealership experience is poor and the staff are rude and stuck in the past much like the average conservative/europhobe/Technophobe "near enough is good enough" one eyed demographic, the majority of which they sell to.

If one Problematic Clio you've experienced means that all French cars are poor, then based on my experiences with Falcons, the Aussie motoring manufacturing industry may as well shut down tomorrow without further ado...

Both my Renaults have not given me problems, so that must mean you sir are WRONG.

Yeah, generalizations are mad fun! As for the little Clio being unpleasant to drive, you're wrong, because I had a Clio Sport 2.0 and it was one of the worlds best drives of its time. A truly wonderful hot hatch. And that means every clio variant must be as amazing.

Generalization is awesome.. Bravo son.

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by Danny

If one Problematic Clio you've experienced means that all French cars are poor, then based on my experiences with Falcons, the Aussie motoring manufacturing industry may as well shut down tomorrow without further ado...

Both my Renaults have not given me problems, so that must mean you sir are WRONG.

Good luck to you that you've found good ones. The quality and reliability of French cars has been an industry byline for years but,yes, more recent models may be better as the manufacturer has taken steps such as teaming with Toyota and manufacturing outside France to improve quality. Time will tell. You'll still face service/parts costs and supply issues in Australia though as with many Euro imports.

http://www.anusedcar.com/index.php/t...l/renault-clio
http://www.reliabilityindex.com/reliability/search/172
http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/jd-p...-part-2/263078
http://www.topgear.com/uk/renault/clio/verdict

With the exception of Topgear these are non-sensational industry-experience results. Even Topgear though has a subtle reference to once bitten twice shy! Personally I found it an unpleasant little car to drive and I've been driving FWD minicars since the 1960s. But as I said, each to their own. The owner I borrowed the car from swears by it! In the end nobody can dictate personal preference to anybody else, my experience is different to yours and vive la difference as the French might say.

The local Ford might be a bit agricultural in manufacturing quality but it gets us by reasonably cheaply on service, parts, insurance and pretty-much-reliability which is what counts in the end eh?

P.S. I'm currently driving a Skoda Octavia 1.9L TDI back and forth between Germany and Czech Republic on a weekly "milk run" maintaining 120-150 km/h all the way. Just a tad small for my long legs but beautiful to drive and lovely gearbox. 200,000 k on the clock and still solid as a rock. That's European quality!

[Danny]

Yeah New2Ford, I'm sorry and I don't mean disrespect, but I just cannot agree with you on the Reliability of any Aussie ford product, as every single one I've had has had decent issues, I continued to go for the newer models hoping quality had improved but it still has not even with the two I have now regardless of how smooth and handy they are for work cars. Ask many in the motoring industry and the Falcon has the same stigma attached to it. We all know this, and we all are frustrated on the Falcon being so so badly behind the rest of the motoring world.

Great to see that you're enjoying the Skoda, I defended Skoda up in the snow this weekend when a mate of mine decided to say that they are complete rubbish soviet bloc era cars like a Yugo. I also know many RenaultSport owners and Renaukt owners who are still enjoying their cars after 2-300,000 km and more with no more than scheduled services and replacements.

This Clio 4 is looking to be a true contender in the VW Polo league if it is priced correctly and marketed. It deserves success.

As said. Generalisation, it can be misleading.

[makattkd]

Originally Posted by lockieoc

Just out of curiosity.
You weren't the ones that put it into the guard rail at the start at one of the stages?

We crashed about 12Km into a stage, in extremely wet low visability conditions. There was a Clio Cup car that crashed into a guard rail a few days prior to us though? Not at the start of any stages though.

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by Danny

This Clio 4 is looking to be a true contender in the VW Polo league if it is priced correctly and marketed. It deserves success.

There are plenty of people buying Clios over here in Europe and of course they wouldn't have the service costs and parts issues that apply to exports to Australia. I think we're basically saying the same thing about Australian built cars. Australian industry generally shoots itself in the foot with its rough "near as" approach to quality and sadly it progressively goes down the gurgler and jobs go overseas as a result. What I'm saying is that the lower operating costs of the local Ford compared to imports balance the quality compromise if you want to look at it that way.

[lockieoc]

Originally Posted by makattkd

We crashed about 12Km into a stage, in extremely wet low visability conditions. There was a Clio Cup car that crashed into a guard rail a few days prior to us though? Not at the start of any stages though.

Yeah the Cup was the one I was thinking of, left hander and put it into the guard rail.

[EDManual]

http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor...928-26pkv.html

Sounds like its not the fun car the last one was! Not even a real manual option :-( And boring turbo power...I hate these small low revving torquey motors! Just horrible. No fun at all. I just drove a golf tsi dsg, mmm, yeah its good at going from a to b and has a bit of power and handles well in the slow stuff (not fast stuff). And just also drove a brand new audi a4 1.8t, same thing, just bigger(and better) but no fun.

If I was thinking this newie would be more fun than the last one, and wanted one, I would be out picking up one of the runouts!

And dont think the new one will be faster just cos of the flat power curve. If you drive the old one well, you are always in the power cos of the close ratios of the 6 speed.

[DJM83]

They have also just released the Clio RS turbo.

[EDManual]

Originally Posted by DJM83

They have also just released the Clio RS turbo.

thats what I mean, its a low torque boring turbo...sadly

[pursuit2359]

Originally Posted by EDManual

thats what I mean, its a low torque boring turbo...sadly

Seriously? The current X85 Clio RS has a 2.0-litre I4 that produces 147kW at 7100rpm and 240Nm at 5400rpm.

The new Clio - with a 1.6-litre turbo I4 - produces 149kW at 6000rpm and 240Nm at 1750-5600rpm. So peak power and torque both go up, while the torque curve will have a completely different shape - this has got to be good for accessible performance. Wasn't this what people thought was so good about the Mk.5 and Mk.6 Golf GTi? The new Clio is also expected to be lighter, maybe around 1200kg.

Some good pics of the new Clio here: http://wikicars.net.au/news.php#!con...rticle&pno=112