Should they build an Ecoboost XR6?

[Grobbo]

With some articles claiming the new Ecoboost turbo 4 cylinder is 60 kg lighter than the N/A six, and every Journo saying the new EB Falcons handle fantasticly... A sporty XR version of a Falcon with this motor could easily be the best handling Falcon ever.

60kg is a hell of a lot of weight to remove from over the front wheels - and most Journos say the engine is much smoother and every bit as quick as the trusty old 6...

I personally think an Ecoboost 'XR' model would get great reviews and probably sell in pretty decent numbers.

Jo Buying Public doesn't care much about Cylinders and Capacity anymore - refinement and economy are king. And we've seen a lot of manufacturers put all types of numbers on thier bootlids and no one really seems to care that it doesn't correlate with what's under the hood.

So if it were me, I'd just call it an XR6...

Interested in what others think!

[GasoLane]

Why not, then they could have an XR 4 5 6 and 8

[mike_nofx]

Jo Public (Jo being a girls name) doesn't care about cylinders, but knows they don't like Falcons.

Joe Public (being a man) does care about cylinders, and likes Falcons.

Therefore, neither like 4 cylinder Falcons. Hence sales figures of 4 cylinder Falcons.

[geckoGT]

Leave it alone. The current XR6 is not true to the name as it really does not have any performance over the XT. Lets not make that situation any worse by fitting a low emissions/high economy engine 2L 4 cyl to a XR, it's not in the spirit of the name plate.

V6 ecoboost tweaked a bit for XR6T, that could be worthwhile when emission standards get meaner.

[Itsme]

Ford Falcon sales struggling, they cannot promote/advertise the ecoboost engine properly and you want to build an XR4 ecoboost.....something tells me it will never happen.

But I must admit it would be an interesting concept.

[Marquis]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Why not, then they could have an XR 4 5 6 and 8

We did a couple of years ago. Fiesta,Focus ,Falcon,falcon. A sporty Eb would be good but should never be called a 6,because it is not a 6. Xre, Ebr,Ebs anything but xr6

[Bossxr8]

It might improve Ecoboost sales from 4 a day to 5 or 6. Why spend more on something no one wants.

[Falcman0o7]

Hell no! Maybe an XR4 lol...But no

[Hawkeye84]

Twin turbo 4cylinder XR?

[superfly]

I voted yes. Lots of other manufacturers are downsizing their engines (BMW, Mercedes etc) so why not Ford?

I would've bought one. Would save me about $150 in rego fees each year.

[tranquilized]

Bring back the Falcon S - make it match the current XR6 spec but offer it with ecoboost or NA I6, and reserve the XR badge for the I6T or V8, thus re-instating the XR's performance position in the market rather than merely the aesthetic upgrade its now become known as.

[Troll]

If you mean the Ecoboost V6 with 272kw and 565nm at 2500rpm then definitely!!!!

As much as I love the 250xflow Ford really should have replaced it with the Duratec V6 to keep costs low which would have likely built a better case for export to America........
Lincoln G6E Turbo and Lincoln Territory anybody?

[pauljh74]

The XR6 started out as having extra power over the standard six, as well as the handling and visual upgrades. Since the B series, it has run the same I6 engine as the rest of the range. I don't think a performance downgrade should wear the XR6 badge. Revive the S Pak perhaps. It's like Holden offering an SV6 with the 3 litre and no tweaks - bad idea.

[Grobbo]

It's hardly surprising that the EB models aren't selling as it's features and benefits have only really been exposed in motoring press articles... The average consumer doesn't read 'em and would have no idea.

You'd think that with the Government funding or whatever it was, there would be some provision to actually advertise that these engines have lower fuel consumption etc...

The only Falcon advertising I've seen recently is for the FPV GT!

[Grobbo]

Originally Posted by pauljh74

The XR6 started out as having extra power over the standard six, as well as the handling and visual upgrades. Since the B series, it has run the same I6 engine as the rest of the range. I don't think a performance downgrade should wear the XR6 badge. Revive the S Pak perhaps. It's like Holden offering an SV6 with the 3 litre and no tweaks - bad idea.

The XR6 is popular because of it's looks, no doubt. If you were to make a sporty EB model it would have to look as good as an XR6...

Cheapest and easiest to just drop the engine into an existing model - like they have with the other models eh...

[Grobbo]

Originally Posted by geckoGT

Leave it alone. The current XR6 is not true to the name as it really does not have any performance over the XT. Lets not make that situation any worse by fitting a low emissions/high economy engine 2L 4 cyl to a XR, it's not in the spirit of the name plate.

I don't know if there's really anything to save as far as 'Spirit of the name plate' is concerned...

When it comes to new Falcons that's probably the least of their worries!

[FalconXV]

Poorly titled thread. Yes Ford should bring out a sports focused Ecoboost model. No it should not be called XR6 (ST4?). Yes it should have Focus' sound symposer, and if they really want to capture youths, a manual option. It makes sense to spread out availability to help pay for development. With all that weigt removed, stiffer suspension and quicker steering would improve an already acclaimed habdler. I think there's potential to create a pseudo- cult car, that transcends segments and appeals to the ricer (tuner) too.

[frd906]

Love to see the ecboost engine offerd for the px ford ranger xl model

[Mad_Pom]

XR is largely just a trim level (which I like/ prefer).
The only way I would purchase an EcoBoost is in an XR trim.
Great driving powertrain, offered in an undesireable trim (for me).
Build it !!

[Rodge]

I think the answer is why not ? XR6 has become the most popular private buyers model and the fleets arn't buying the Ecoboost in any numbers. Looking at Ford's sales trend over the years they need to take the approach that we've got nothing to lose.

[Grobbo]

Originally Posted by Rodge

I think the answer is why not ? XR6 has become the most popular private buyers model and the fleets arn't buying the Ecoboost in any numbers. Looking at Ford's sales trend over the years they need to take the approach that we've got nothing to lose.

I reckon they've definitely thought about it. Aside from revised suspension tuning (to make it a bit sportier than the XT/G6) there would be no development costs to speak of. (If it was Auto only)

The only thing really standing in the way is the percieved pollution of the XR name plate, and what the hell to call the thing!

[mike_nofx]

The only way I may consider it would be a 2 door Falcon with the EB4 motor, either just a shortened version of the current Falcon, or coupe, in XR type gear. I reckon that would sell.

[Grobbo]

Originally Posted by FalconXV

Poorly titled thread. Yes Ford should bring out a sports focused Ecoboost model. No it should not be called XR6 (ST4?). Yes it should have Focus' sound symposer, and if they really want to capture youths, a manual option. It makes sense to spread out availability to help pay for development. With all that weigt removed, stiffer suspension and quicker steering would improve an already acclaimed habdler. I think there's potential to create a pseudo- cult car, that transcends segments and appeals to the ricer (tuner) too.

Mmmm. I guess I was thinking of them basically trying to pass off an EB XR as a more fuel efficient and better handling XR6, with basically no development costs.

What you're talking about is a slightly different concept - saying "Here is something a bit different - a sweet handling low cost rear drive sports sedan"

A four door 200SX if you will - nothing else like it on the market...

Yeah of course that would be much more awesome. I would say it's probably highly unlikely tho... Still, fingers crossed eh. Maybe they didn't do an EB XR Falcon just yet becuase this type of model is still in the pipeline? :-)

[csv8]

How about the SHO Ecoboost V6 3.6...

[4.0i OHC]

Originally Posted by Troll

If you mean the Ecoboost V6 with 272kw and 565nm at 2500rpm then definitely!!!!

As much as I love the 250xflow Ford really should have replaced it with the Duratec V6 to keep costs low which would have likely built a better case for export to America........
Lincoln G6E Turbo and Lincoln Territory anybody?

Appropriate username there...

[mike_nofx]

There should be a poll:

If Ford announced a Falcon XR4. Would you buy one?
A) Yes
B) Ah yeah, maybe, probably one day, I like the concept, if I had the cash, maybe in 3 years when it's cheap 2nd hand, so what if I don't buy one someone will, I know a guy who knows a guy who'd buy one right now...... AKA - NO.

[barra240t]

This has been a done a few times already, I asked the same question back in Feb last year! haha

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...t=xr6+ecoboost

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...t=xr6+ecoboost

[last fairlane]

XR numbers
XR 4
XR 5
XR 6
XR 8
dont forget
XR 2 and XR 3 Pommy Escorts
and XR7 yank Mercury Cougars
so plenty of Ford cars have been called "XR"

[BrisVegas]

yes. the naming is awkward, but no worse than G6 ecoboost. The XR styling is nicer than the XT and G6, so might bring a few more sales.

[Grobbo]

Originally Posted by barra240t

This has been a done a few times already, I asked the same question back in Feb last year! haha

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...t=xr6+ecoboost

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...t=xr6+ecoboost

Whoopsie.

Looks like the EB XR is a go tho - with AFF members at least... :-)