Lower tolerance level for speeding motorists QLD

[bang_on33]

There have been many reports now about the new lowered speed tolerance for QLD coming in just before the Easter break, but as usual the QLD Govt refuses to tell us what it is and it's created a lot of confusion.

Anyway, I've done my home work and confirmed the new tolerance:

It's 10% + 1km

... so 40 = 45, 50 = 56, 60 = 67 etc. *The 100 & 110 limits are capped at 10% though.


Have a safe & ticket free Easter everyone.

[bobthebilda]

The formula is

budget shortfall = other cuts + (speed limits + whatever tolerance we need to ensure traffic fines give us a decent chance of balancing budget).

Depending on the success of the formula on reaching the monthly targets, the tolerance will increase or decrease through out the year.

[TRAU BLAU]

Wouldn't it depend on the cop holding the speed-gun? If it was bad weather,frequent accident zone,busy time,dangerous conditions etc.the tolerance margin could be tweaked to go off at 1k over or 5k over or under(hopefully not?!)

[Chopped]

I've seen a few unmarked, unmanned Camera Vans and Utes around Brissy lately.
Most different was a white Triton ute with the camera set up in the front passenger seat (facing forwards).

Watch your speed...

[EVLKNEVL]

Originally Posted by bang_on33

There have been many reports now about the new lowered speed tolerance for QLD coming in just before the Easter break, but as usual the QLD Govt refuses to tell us what it is and it's created a lot of confusion.

Anyway, I've done my home work and confirmed the new tolerance:

It's 10% + 1km

... so 40 = 45, 50 = 56, 60 = 67 etc. *The 100 & 110 limits are capped at 10% though.


Have a safe & ticket free Easter everyone.

What 'homework' have you done? You need to provide citation if you are going to throw this information around as if it's fact. You could cost people fines/licenses if they listen to you and you're incorrect. Easter holidays attract double demerit points in QLD so even slight misinformation could significantly alter outcomes and change peoples' lives.

I find it difficult to believe that you're the only person who has this information and is able to share it.

[csv8]

"THE number of kilometres per hour motorists are allowed to creep over the speed limit before receiving a ticket will be cut for the fourth time since last July.

Police will today announce tolerance margins will be further reduced in time for the busy Easter holiday break.



The last change in January in 40, 50 and 70km/h zones resulted in a 26 per cent jump in speeding offences detected on Queensland roads.

Other reductions in September and July last year produced a similar outcome, generating millions of extra dollars in speeding fines.

A Queensland Police Service spokesman said today’s reduction coincided with the start of Operation Crossroads, a joint Australia-New Zealand initiative designed to reduce the number of serious injury and fatal traffic crashes during the holiday period.

“Extra police will be out in force targeting the Fatal Five across Queensland roads,” the spokesman said.

Police will not say what the new tolerance margins are but they are believed to bring Queensland closer in line with other states.

“Drivers should always drive to the conditions and never exceed the speed limit,” the spokesman said.

“The speed limit is the maximum speed permissible. It is not a guide.”

Police are in no doubt the harder line on enforcing speed limits has contributed to this year’s improvement in the state road toll.

Although 51 people have lost their lives in road crashes in 2014 to date, at the same time last year the figure was 75."
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/q...-1226874000077

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by csv8

"THE number of kilometres per hour motorists are allowed to creep over the speed limit before receiving a ticket will be cut for the fourth time since last July.

Police will today announce tolerance margins will be further reduced in time for the busy Easter holiday break.



The last change in January in 40, 50 and 70km/h zones resulted in a 26 per cent jump in speeding offences detected on Queensland roads.

Other reductions in September and July last year produced a similar outcome, generating millions of extra dollars in speeding fines.

A Queensland Police Service spokesman said today’s reduction coincided with the start of Operation Crossroads, a joint Australia-New Zealand initiative designed to reduce the number of serious injury and fatal traffic crashes during the holiday period.

“Extra police will be out in force targeting the Fatal Five across Queensland roads,” the spokesman said.

Police will not say what the new tolerance margins are but they are believed to bring Queensland closer in line with other states.

“Drivers should always drive to the conditions and never exceed the speed limit,” the spokesman said.

“The speed limit is the maximum speed permissible. It is not a guide.”

Police are in no doubt the harder line on enforcing speed limits has contributed to this year’s improvement in the state road toll.

Although 51 people have lost their lives in road crashes in 2014 to date, at the same time last year the figure was 75."
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/q...-1226874000077

Why didn't you highlight the last sentence?

A 33% reduction in fatalities.
I'd have thought that statistic would be a worthy factor in any discussion.

[EVLKNEVL]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Why didn't you highlight the last sentence?

A 33% reduction in fatalities.
I'd have thought that statistic would be a worthy factor in any discussion.

That's a fair point BENT_8, It's great to see a reduction in fatalities on our roads. Positive news and worthy of discussion.

Now, could you possibly elaborate on how that statistic directly relates to the reduction in speed camera tolerances?

Thanks.

[irish2]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Why didn't you highlight the last sentence?

A 33% reduction in fatalities.
I'd have thought that statistic would be a worthy factor in any discussion.

At this time in 2013 the road toll was higher than for the same period in 2012, even with the introduction of more "Covert" cameras, and increased fines.

[csv8]

I didn't highlight as I didn't think it relevant. There are other factors in the lower road toll not just lower speed tolerances. Speed cameras by themselves do not lower the road toll. If they did, it would even lower. Police have to say that to justify their use...
http://www.roadsense.com.au/facts.html

[b0son]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

I'd have thought that statistic would be a worthy factor in any discussion.

The way it works is this.

If there's a reduction, 'speed enforcement is working'

If there's an increase, 'drivers aren't getting the message, we need to be even tougher'

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by EVLKNEVL

That's a fair point BENT_8, It's great to see a reduction in fatalities on our roads. Positive news and worthy of discussion.

Now, could you possibly elaborate on how that statistic directly relates to the reduction in speed camera tolerances?

Thanks.

Not at all.
Can you show proof that it doesn't.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by csv8

I didn't highlight as I didn't think it relevant. There are other factors in the lower road toll not just lower speed tolerances. Speed cameras by themselves do not lower the road toll. If they did, it would even lower. Police have to say that to justify their use...
http://www.roadsense.com.au/facts.html

A simplistic view.

Speed cameras change driver attitude, this inturn reduces the occurrence or likelihood of serious injury and death.
If cameras don't save lives would it be fair to say removing them wouldn't see an increase in excess speed related deaths?

[EVLKNEVL]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Not at all.
Can you show proof that it doesn't.

That's a shame, I figured that since you went to the trouble of bringing that subject up you would have some kind of clue about its relevance. I guess I was wrong.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

A simplistic view.

Speed cameras change driver attitude, this inturn reduces the occurrence or likelihood of serious injury and death.
If cameras don't save lives would it be fair to say removing them wouldn't see an increase in excess speed related deaths?

when the acceptable loss of life exceeds revenue, then and only "then" will the gov take notice

[Marquis]

So the tolerance will be cut for the fourth time since July and now is at 10% + 1klm. Funny ***** right there.
You travel through a bunch of cameras and radars bang on your formula and let us know how you go

[bang_on33]

EVLKNEVL, you can believe whatever you want but the info I have shared wasn't easy to get hold of and is 100% true & correct. You're welcome.

Oh and by the way, QLD doesn't implement double demerit points over the holiday periods like other states and never has. Only certain offences committed more than once over a 12 month period are subject to this.

It's certainly not me spreading the misinformation.

[EVLKNEVL]

I've been booked double demerit points over Easter in the past. If you can't provide any details about how you obtain your 'information', you can't expect any credibility.

[bang_on33]

No you haven't.

http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Safety/Dri...it-points.aspx

[bang_on33]

Marquis, I can see how you would think that but it might be a good idea to put a little more thought in first before attempting to make fun of someone.

I'll try and make this quick... previous to the latest reductions the speed tolerance in QLD was 10km across the board (except for 110km zones which had 11km). This meant that a 40km zone had a 25% tolerance, 50km had 21%, 60km had 19% and so on.

So the reduction in speed tolerance over the past year down to 10% + 1km across the board is actually significant. The lower speed limits have been the obvious target as they will generate the most revenue. It’s been done gradually because the QPS Camera Office needs time to adjust and would go into meltdown from the increase in fines if the tolerance was lowered any faster.

[irish2]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

A simplistic view.

Speed cameras change driver attitude, this inturn reduces the occurrence or likelihood of serious injury and death.
If cameras don't save lives would it be fair to say removing them wouldn't see an increase in excess speed related deaths?

It's American, but an interesting study none the less.

http://www.ibiblio.org/rdu/sl-irrel.html

[Blue Roo]

Originally Posted by EVLKNEVL

I've been booked double demerit points over Easter in the past. If you can't provide any details about how you obtain your 'information', you can't expect any credibility.

Originally Posted by bang_on33

No you haven't.

http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Safety/Dri...it-points.aspx

Well Mr EVLKNEVL! It looks like you've crashed and burned yet again.

[strik9]

yeah i love how i,ve been driving around like a friggen nana and pop towing a caravan the last week and half, because i read here its double demerit points on the easter holidays in qld. good job.

this coming from a guy who warning somone about throwing misinformation around. looks like the did crash and burn big time.( post 5) time to pack your key board up

[Burnout]

What-a-load of rubbish this all is; fear all fear and loathing chat on social media.
Regardless of all this rubbish the regulation for a 10% tolerance is still in force.
Police officers desecration is still in force.
The number of persons who in QLD have been fined under these so called reduced tolerance conditions can be counted on the fingers of one hand. In my experience this is a load of ol' manure.

[noflac52]

If you read post 6 according to the courier mail it was a 26% jump in fines being issued after the tightened tolerances on previous occasions.

So if I use your calculations, one hand = five fingers = 26%. So if I round it off to 25% to make it easy what you are saying is that only around 125 people have been booked in the whole of Qld since the tolerances have been lowered. Oh hang on the tolerances have been lowered a few times so lets multiply that by four to be fair.

Only five hundred people have been fined in Qld for speeding since the lowering of tolerances started wow that's absolutely amazing.

The fines must have been gigantic because the Qld Government made millions in extra revenue because of the lower tolerances.

That's if you believe the Courier Mail but then again why should anyone believe you and your fictional statement?

[b0son]

Originally Posted by noflac52

If you read post 6 according to the courier mail it was a 26% jump in fines being issued after the tightened tolerances on previous occasions.

And this was much the same in Vic. Infringements and revenue were falling as people reduced their speeding. So they reduced the tolerance even further. Voila. A significant jump in infringements, and more importantly, an injection of revenue.

If someone can't see that for what it is, they're either blind or stupid.

[Dash_XR]

Just more time fixated on the speedo instead of whats in front of you I guess.

It's around 5 deaths per 100,000 people per year, one of the lowest in the world.

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by bang_on33

There have been many reports now about the new lowered speed tolerance for QLD coming in just before the Easter break, but as usual the QLD Govt refuses to tell us what it is and it's created a lot of confusion.

Anyway, I've done my home work and confirmed the new tolerance:

It's 10% + 1km

... so 40 = 45, 50 = 56, 60 = 67 etc. *The 100 & 110 limits are capped at 10% though.


Have a safe & ticket free Easter everyone.

Sorry but it's not 10% + 1.

Both the Girlie and I have been done for 111 in 100.

On you theory I shouldn't have been done. If I was doin 112 than yes.

Best you re-research that. My research consists of an infringement notice.

[OLDFORDNUT]

dont know where you got your figures from as plenty in Hervey Bay and Maryborough area have been booked lately for 2kmh over as far as im aware it used to be 10% now lots lower,//////////////////////////////////
The other item mentioned here is lower fatalities this year, it has nothing to do with Police we have been in drought conditions for 6 months till last fortnight DRY ROADS = less accidents

[GS608]

Originally Posted by Revolver

Sorry but it's not 10% + 1.

Both the Girlie and I have been done for 111 in 100.

On you theory I shouldn't have been done. If I was doin 112 than yes.

Best you re-research that. My research consists of an infringement notice.

re-read...100kph and 110kph zones are capped at 10% so yes you would get done for 11kph over.

I thought it was common knowledge that QLD tolerences were 10% +1kph..has been for a number of years so if anything tolerence would be tighter?