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13-02-2015, 12:53 AM | #1 | ||
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http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/p...12-13d0l4.html
It seems the city of love has called time on the humble car. Or at least those built in the 1990s.
Officials in Paris are set to enforce a blanket ban on heavy polluting vehicles in the coming months, in what's being described as a radical attempt to quell the city's pollution problem. Autocar in the UK reports that a series of rolling restrictions are expected to begin this summer, when all coaches, buses and trucks registered before September 30, 2001, will be banned from central Paris. Those vehicles will still be able to access the Boulevard Perpherique, the giant ring road that encircles the city centre. For car owners, passenger vehicles registered before December 31, 1996, will be banned while a September 30, 1997, mandate will be enforced for vans and light trucks. According to French reports, the restrictions will gradually become tighter up until 2020, when the only private vehicles with unrestricted access into the city centre will reportedly be cars registered after 2011 and motorcycles registered after July 2015. Daily smog has become so bad in the French capital that, last year, officials began imposing alternate driving days for motorists – depending on whether they had odd or even-numbered licence plates. Paris officials have also offered incentives for public transport and car pooling in the past. The restrictions appear largely aimed at diesel vehicles, with the French government wanting to gradually phase out diesel-powered passenger vehicles. As it stands, roughly 80 per cent of French motorists drive diesel-powered cars. "In France, we have long favoured the diesel engine. This was a mistake, and we will progressively undo that, intelligently and pragmatically," the country's Prime Minister Manuel Valls said in December. According to one report this week, Parisian mayor Anne Hidalgo was quoted as saying that while the older diesel cars were the most polluting, "even the filters in the latest models can't get rid of the most dangerous fine particles". The French government is said to be adding to the push against diesel by raising the tax on diesel fuel, as well as deliberating over whether to hand out incentives for citizens who swap out of diesel-powered vehicles into electric or petrol-powered vehicles - a scheme that could bolster the country's local car manufacturing industry. Similar anti-diesel sentiments are being expressed in other European cities including London, because of the health warnings about high levels of nitrogen oxides and fine particles generated by diesel-powered vehicles. The Parisian restrictions come as the Europe Union clamps down on Euro 6 emissions standards introduced in September last year. Australian authorities are said to be considerably behind the eight-ball in enforcing such measures. According to The Carbon Dioxide Emissions from New Australian Vehicles 2013 paper released last year, the emission average for the Australian vehicle fleet has fallen nearly 10 years behind equivalent European measures. Despite the fleet average in carbon emissions falling 3.4 per cent in 2013 – down from 198.5 to 192g/km – Australian standards still pale against the European Union's fleet average of 158.7g/km C02 in 2007. |
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13-02-2015, 02:24 AM | #2 | ||
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Hmmm...I wonder how much greenhouse gas and pollution would have been made by myself (and of course the one previous owner) of my 1982 Celica if we hadn't kept the one well maintained vehicle on the road for the last 33 years and instead had been good consumers and bought a whole brand new car every couple of years...?
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http://www.theguardian.com/environme...tprint-new-car
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13-02-2015, 09:08 AM | #4 | ||
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Remember the whole-of-life figures that compared a Prius with a Hummer H2?
Taking into account everything from the sourcing of the materials in it, through manufacturing, the fuel useage, and life expectancy of the vehicle, it was more environmentally friendly overall to buy the Hummer... The "clean green" Prius was way behind the eight ball from the start because of the staggeringly environmental filth and damage created from the mining of the basic materials, and transport all across the globe, of the stuff in the battery packs. |
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13-02-2015, 10:06 AM | #5 | |||
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The writing has been on the wall for diesel vehicles in Europe for some years, the trend just hasn't reached Australia yet, nor is it likely to, due to official apathy about such things. Diesel buses are prohibited from city centres in some European cities and there is a big move on towards converting all public transport to electric propulsion. Trucks are more difficult, but there is a lot of research going on. Cars will be an easy target to at least go to petrol, with development of electric propulsion continuing. A long way down the track it may be difficult to import diesel cars from Europe.
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When I look it up today, I see that the I-tech Prius (the normal Prius is much cheaper) has an estimated WOL cost of $235 per week. The petrol TX Territory is $251 per week. However, diesel Territory fans should note that the diesel TX is estimated at $272 per week, $21 more pw than the petrol Territory. What isn't appreciated is that fuel cost/economy is only a small proportion of the total life cost of a car. While I understand that diesel engines have their purposes, I wouldn't buy a diesel car for ordinary use. |
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13-02-2015, 04:44 PM | #6 | ||
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For anyone whose been to Paris have you noticed that the concrete/stone buildings are usually a dirty stained black colour? That's from car pollution. The entire city actually gets washed every 5 years I think. Same story for Rome and Madrid.
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13-02-2015, 06:17 PM | #7 | ||
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The last thing you want in Paris is a new car! It is common practice, when you park on a level road , to leave your hand brake off so when someone squeezes their car in, your car rolls a bit to absorb the impact. Otherwise your bumpers are stuffed in no time.
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13-02-2015, 06:37 PM | #8 | |||
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13-02-2015, 06:51 PM | #9 | ||
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13-02-2015, 07:09 PM | #10 | ||
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Umm no. Much higher emissions of NOx, even when such diesel engines have DPF and SCR controls. And much higher particulate matter. SCR is basically a Urea solution sprayed into the exhaust stream to neutralise the NOx, however making Urea produces a large amount of CO2.
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http://www.achatespower.com/diesel-e...oline-engines/
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13-02-2015, 07:17 PM | #12 | ||
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Who cares! all my cars have no cat in them, how I would love to just go and pump out some emmisions into that place
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13-02-2015, 08:24 PM | #13 | ||
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http://www.france24.com/en/20150128-...les-july-2015/
A TOTAL 52 towns in the Alpes-Maritimes are set to introduce a ban on certain diesel vehicles at times of high pollution. From next year, drivers in certain towns in the department who own a diesel vehicle that is more than 15 years old will be obliged to display a traffic light-style sticker, which will dictate whether they can drive their vehicle during pollution peaks. - See more at: http://www.connexionfrance.com/franc....HDFwAnzl.dpuf So they are planning to ban 15 year old vehicles of smoggy days in built up areas. that Like banning cars from george street.
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15-02-2015, 12:01 PM | #14 | ||
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I think this highlights one of the big problems with working out emissions and such. Diesels were always considered better for the environment, until they started measuring things differently, the they were worse. As science will continue to evolve, this may change again. My two AUs may not be the most efficient or environmentally friendly cars on the road, but I own them and they will be driven until they are unable to be fixed. Barring accidents and rust, that should be for ever.
What we really need is an for someone to develop a new engine to go into older cars, so we don't get the emissions associated with building a whole car, and don't need to scrap what is otherwise a good vehicle. |
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15-02-2015, 02:25 PM | #15 | |||
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Heres another bit of pollution trivia be it old article (2009)but never the less interesting about big diesels on ships . http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...ars-world.html |
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15-02-2015, 02:33 PM | #16 | ||
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Just bought a new diesel yesterday. I hope you get stuck behind me for kilometer after kilometer...................
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here is an interesting photo with some numbers. http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/china/a...12b1e57615.jpg . |
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