Perkins diesel powered XF

[scott_motors]

Found this on the net today, a nice 1987 XF S Pack with a Perkins diesel donk. It was converted when new by an engineering company.

Check it out here, great pics of the engine bay showing the Perkins in all it's glory.

http://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/de.../falcon/144618

Wonder who much it cost to convert?

[JG66ME]

I recall a number of XA/B/C Taxis in Rockhampton with this conversion.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Seen these pop up from time to time. Thought I had seen 1 that had a Cummins donk as well?

[Franco Cozzo]

Hell yeah, needs more turbo though.

Wrong time for me though otherwise I'd be all over that like myself on pavlova.

Turn up injection pump, Garrett 1749V that I have lying about here.

Run 25s down at next years AFF Heathcote.

[Franco Cozzo]

I wonder if this is the same car:

http://www.xfalcon.com/forums/index....l-xe-for-sale/

[duaned]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

I wonder if this is the same car:

http://www.xfalcon.com/forums/index....l-xe-for-sale/

Don't think so. Different dashboard, ones a S pack the other a poverty pack and so on.

[mik]

interesting, apparently mazda made these engine under contract from perkins, here is a couple of snippets of info i found ........ no mention of power rating unfortunately

Perkins 4.182
4-182 - 4 Cylinders and 182 Cubic Inch (181.7in3)
Water Cooled Diesel

Perkins 4.182 200 Series
4-182 - 4 Cylinders and 182 Cubic Inch (181.7in3)
Water Cooled Diesel

Perkins 4.182 Engine Data

Number of Cylinders: 4
Cycle: Four Stroke
Early Series Combustion System: Indirect Injection
Late Series Combustion System: Direct Injection
Nominal Bore: 95,0mm (3.74in)
Stroke: 105,0mm (4.13in)
Cubic Capacity: 3.0 liters - 2.977 litres 2977 CC 182 Cubic Inches (181.7in3)


ok a bit more googooogling , dont know how accurate the source is , but 70 hp at 4500 rpm ( rpm sounds a bit high to me ??? )

94 foot pounds torque at 3000 rpm(126.091069 newton metres) .
not really a power house by the look of it, but no doubt with decent gearing it would probably be ok, according to the falcon ad, 45 mpg is pretty good.


http://www.cyclopaedia.info/wiki/Perkins-4.182

Perkins 4.182 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Perkins 4.182 was a diesel engine built by Mazda (Toyo Kogyo) under licence from Perkins Engines Company Limited, and was fitted to numerous Mazda ...

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[Franco Cozzo]

Turbo intercooled variant of the same engine (Mazda HA 3L) made 125hp @ 3450 RPM and 260ftlb @ 2000 RPM.

No doubt with a modern turbo design and some more fuel you'd push over those numbers assuming you can get the injection pump and injectors to push some more fuel.

It looks like ye olde IDI type diesel though, so you probably couldn't cram too much air into the thing, my 6.5L was IDI and no more than 12-15 psi tops with different turbo (ran 8psi from factory).

[malazn mafia]

Could an SZ 2.7 Diesel be fitted into an FG/FG2 sedan?

[whitelion65]

Originally Posted by duaned

Don't think so. Different dashboard, ones a S pack the other a poverty pack and so on.

The first one is an XF, the second, XE!!

[mik]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Could an SZ 2.7 Diesel be fitted into an FG/FG2 sedan?

would be an interesting swap, you would think it should not be overly hard, are you getting evil ideas

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by mik

would be an interesting swap, you would think it should not be overly hard, are you getting evil ideas

Is a diesel tank any different from a petrol tank? Some 2.7 tdci engines are coming up for around 4K with ancillaries and looms/PCM these days. .

[Franco Cozzo]

Might have a low pressure in tank lift pump, though my Focus doesn't, it relies on the injection pump to pull fuel up to itself, as well as if the engine will run with just the ECU rather than the BCM in there as well.

Physically, whats the size and weight of the 2.7L V6 vs 5.4/5.0?

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Is a diesel tank any different from a petrol tank? Some 2.7 tdci engines are coming up for around 4K with ancillaries and looms/PCM these days. .

you would need to charge the box as well, its a different ZF

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

you would need to charge the box as well, its a different ZF

Yes, I think its the povvo pack 6R60 Chinese built ZF6HP26 clone as used in Ranger. Using a real ZF would be nice.

[Stefan]

Bugger,

Read title and expected a 3000 HP diesel from a 300+T Mining dump truck shoehorned into a Falcon.

But it has 70HP.....

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Might have a low pressure in tank lift pump, though my Focus doesn't, it relies on the injection pump to pull fuel up to itself, as well as if the engine will run with just the ECU rather than the BCM in there as well.

Physically, whats the size and weight of the 2.7L V6 vs 5.4/5.0?

It does (have an in-tank pump). Although I seem to recall some issues with engine height in making the 2.7 fit the Falcon? It is a pretty tall engine.

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Yes, I think its the povvo pack 6R60 Chinese built ZF6HP26 clone as used in Ranger. Using a real ZF would be nice.

Nein!

Uses the US-made Ford 6R80 (same as Ranger). And yes, a ZF would be nicer. Or maybe a manual...

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

It does (have an in-tank pump). Although I seem to recall some issues with engine height in making the 2.7 fit the Falcon? It is a pretty tall engine.

...

XR8 Bonnet?
how do they fit in the Jags?

[pottery beige]

Perky

slow, noisy and leak lots of oil

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

Perky

slow, noisy and leak lots of oil

If it was some crappy jap 4 x 4 fitted with a 70hp diesel and you wacked in a bulletproof factory Ford 6 it would be considered a great upgrade.

Not sure what buying a bulletproof falcon and ripping out it's fantastic engine and dropping in a 70hp oil burner is.

Whos the guy that put a Holden 202 on a GTHO Phase 3?

[2011G6E]

At the Bundaberg show back around 1982 or 3 I recall a small company had two example vehicles with Cummins diesels...an XD sedan with a four cylinder and a CL Valiant Regal with a six cylinder unit. Not the fastest things but great fuel economy and outstanding towing.

The 202 in a GT?? You mean you've forgotten the great Brian Plankman and the Plankman Special??? Good lord man...

If I remember I'll dig out the issue from the shed tomorrow and scan it in. Awesome build up and amazing level of skillful...technical...work....
Nope...nope, couldn't say that with a straight face...

[JG66ME]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

At the Bundaberg show back around 1982 or 3 I recall a small company had two example vehicles with Cummins diesels...an XD sedan with a four cylinder and a CL Valiant Regal with a six cylinder unit. Not the fastest things but great fuel economy and outstanding towing.

The 202 in a GT?? You mean you've forgotten the great Brian Plankman and the Plankman Special??? Good lord man...

If I remember I'll dig out the issue from the shed tomorrow and scan it in. Awesome build up and amazing level of skillful...technical...work....
Nope...nope, couldn't say that with a straight face...

The legendary Brian Plankman "6 in a row HO"

Oh, and it was a 186. No dinky die Holden 6 fan would choose a 202 over the 186.

[2011G6E]

A 186, that's right. Yes I know that...I shamefully admit I didn't think to correct it until after I could no longer "edit" my post.

It also had a "racing" three on the tree I think didn't it?

I can't wait to go and find that magazine...

[smoo]

Originally Posted by Stefan

If it was some crappy jap 4 x 4 fitted with a 70hp diesel and you wacked in a bulletproof factory Ford 6 it would be considered a great upgrade.

Not sure what buying a bulletproof falcon and ripping out it's fantastic engine and dropping in a 70hp oil burner is.

I scratch my head too.
In NZ it was popular back in the 1980/early 90s to convert falcons and Commodores to gutless Nissan 2.8 diesels. Fortunately most have been scrapped.
I'm having a hard time believing this guys fuel economy claims. My common rail 2.0 BMW 3 series diesel will get low 5s highway, and around 8.5 city. He claims this XF will get 6.2.

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by smoo

I scratch my head too.
In NZ it was popular back in the 1980/early 90s to convert falcons and Commodores to gutless Nissan 2.8 diesels. Fortunately most have been scrapped.
I'm having a hard time believing this guys fuel economy claims. My common rail 2.0 BMW 3 series diesel will get low 5s highway, and around 8.5 city. He claims this XF will get 6.2.

"Weight difference"...take a motor out of a 2+ tonne fourbie and put it in a 1400kg two wheel drive sedan and you'll see some amazing fuel economy increases as the engine is hardly working.

We had a 100 series Landcruiser fitted with the excellent 4.2 turbo diesel six, the model with constant all wheel drive as opposed to being able to select 2WD or 4WD...you only had to select low or high range.
There were kits available (and we looked into one) that went into the front diff like a "disconnector" to enable it to run on rear wheel drive only. The fuel economy gains were very good by simply giving the engine less work to do when you didn't really need four wheel drive.

You'd fit a big (or small) diesel to a sedan (Kingswood, Falcon, Commodore, etc) not for speed, quarter mile times, or 0-100 speeds, but for great economy and the torque if you were planning on towing but didn't want a great lumbering fourbie. Not to mention that diesel is usually much cheaper than petrol, and if you have a friend who owns a farm and can get the fuel even cheaper...
Sound logic in my books.

And seeing as how Australian makers have for decades been too stupid to fit economical diesels to passenger cars like other countries, then you can't blame people for building themselves what the factories should have been doing all along...

[mik]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Might have a low pressure in tank lift pump, though my Focus doesn't, it relies on the injection pump to pull fuel up to itself, as well as if the engine will run with just the ECU rather than the BCM in there as well.

Physically, whats the size and weight of the 2.7L V6 vs 5.4/5.0?

Just did a bit of a search on the land rover / Terri v6 diesel, apparently one of its features is the compacted graphite block and low weight, 202 kgs dry weight.
Not sure about the v8s, i would guess a little more, probably not a lot in it though.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Seen these pop up from time to time. Thought I had seen 1 that had a Cummins donk as well?

Cummins are really good in boats................on the end of a chain..............in the water

[mik]

Originally Posted by Stefan

If it was some crappy jap 4 x 4 fitted with a 70hp diesel and you wacked in a bulletproof factory Ford 6 it would be considered a great upgrade.

Not sure what buying a bulletproof falcon and ripping out it's fantastic engine and dropping in a 70hp oil burner is.

Whos the guy that put a Holden 202 on a GTHO Phase 3?

I think apart from being a bit more frugal , i think some blokes do it for convenience , easier to have all your vehicles on an account on one fuel, buying the one fuel in bulk might get a discount to i suppose.

Also some truckies and farmers have their own diesel tanks, car, tractor, truck,stationery engines........... again the convenience thing.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by mik

Just did a bit of a search on the land rover / Terri v6 diesel, apparently one of its features is the compacted graphite block and low weight, 202 kgs dry weight.
Not sure about the v8s, i would guess a little more, probably not a lot in it though.

That's pretty light weight, I was expecting 350KG.

[FalconXV]

http://performancedrive.com.au/for-s...nversion-1222/ Performance Drive has a write-up about it.