Diesel engine life

[Tassie f100]

Iv'e also posted this in the Ranger section but may get a bigger response here.I'm looking at a 2007 3litre engine with 240000ks runs and drives well.Could I reasonably expect 4-500000 from it or am I being optimistic.I seen a few advertised for $20000+ This is a lot less than that so is it worth buying with a $5000 fix up reserve

[mechanic]

Sounds very similar to all other trade -in, used car posts to me.
It's for sale because the previous owner made a judgement that from now on the expenses would start to accumulate.
Keeping that in mind, everything is for sale at a price but with vehicles it's much more important to recognise that EVERY BIT of the Ranger is 9 years old and ALL moving parts have done 240,000 klms.
Very cheap offer would be my advice.
My son just bought a used Ranger which had been running around the Western Qld gas fields, seems OK so far.

[Dr Terry]

I would allow a $10,000 fix-up reserve.

Dr Terry

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by mechanic

Sounds very similar to all other trade -in, used car posts to me.
It's for sale because the previous owner made a judgement that from now on the expenses would start to accumulate.
Keeping that in mind, everything is for sale at a price but with vehicles it's much more important to recognise that EVERY BIT of the Ranger is 9 years old and ALL moving parts have done 240,000 klms.
Very cheap offer would be my advice.
My son just bought a used Ranger which had been running around the Western Qld gas fields, seems OK so far.

Yeah.I fully appreciate that the whole vehicle has travelled the same kms.I only mentioned engine because most other components are probably $3-500 fixes.ie secondhand diffs gearbox bearing kits etc wheras SH engines seem to run around the $3.5-4000 range

[mac_man_luke]

Biggest factor with common rail motors is how lucky you get with fuel contamination / injector / high pressure pump issues. Easy to kill a motor and big $$ to fix.

PJ/PK rangers are prone to head gasket / EGR cracking issues.

[SumoDog68]

It is a difficult question to answer. No two cars are the same. You will 500k out of but it is a guess as to how much it will cost you. Good thing is that ute is relatively simple mechanically compared to your average passenger car.

[Trump]

What's the asking price Tassie?

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

What's the asking price Tassie?

The starting price is $14000.It is a freestyle CC 4x4.Actually a Mazda Bt50.240000kms but I figured there are more people on Ranger forums than Mazda

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Yeah.I fully appreciate that the whole vehicle has travelled the same kms.I only mentioned engine because most other components are probably $3-500 fixes.ie secondhand diffs gearbox bearing kits etc wheras SH engines seem to run around the $3.5-4000 range

Yes, but you could spend $3,000-$5,000 just on pump & injectors etc. as well as the electronics, before even thinking about the engine.

The problem with modern cars at high milage is that the engine will outlast all of the bits attached to it. Those bits can get expensive.

Dr Terry

[Trump]

I wouldn't, for the reasons stated by the others.

[mik]

The things i would be worried about would be things like , fuel system , injector pumps, neglected cooling systems , these items could easily run you thousands of dollars if things go bad.

[sexyxe]

The expression of spending nickels and dimes on it may drive you insane. Couple hundred here. A little more there, odd electrical fault, replace some worn bushes, and you'll be so deep before you really catch yourself. If you buy it, set a rock solid budget and don't go blowing through it.

[EDManual]

I service bloke at Mitsubishi was telling me all these modern diesels really only do well for about 300,000. Said they are not like the old patrol 4.2 turbo diesels where you would expect the same problems at more like 600000+ km!
They are made to throw in the towel i believe at a specified life.

Just like new cars (exept falcons).

[TUF_302]

well that's good to no, means my Patrols only half worn in lol

[AGH]

Have a good look at the EGR system and the heat exchanger tied to it. Is known to fail and cause premature engine failure.

[Pis-ton broke]

my mates 2.8 Colorado has about 20nm to 30nm more than my 100series cruiser 4.2 diesel. which one do you think will last the longest?

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by Pis-ton broke

my mates 2.8 Colorado has about 20nm to 30nm more than my 100series cruiser 4.2 diesel. which one do you think will last the longest?

Probably a bit like expecting a 3.2 Ranger lasting any wherspe as long as a Cruiser with a bigger engine but only a couple more KW and allegedly less torques

[mechanic]

Revs/kilometer has to mean something. Engines that did 5-600,000 klms were normally slower revving engines.
The 4.2 NA 100 series I had [ an absolute dog of a thing to drive ] was doing 2,000 rpm at 100kph.
What rpm does the Ranger engine do at 100kph?

[Brazen]

How much is it?

[.:4:.]

Originally Posted by mechanic

Revs/kilometer has to mean something. Engines that did 5-600,000 klms were normally slower revving engines.
The 4.2 NA 100 series I had [ an absolute dog of a thing to drive ] was doing 2,000 rpm at 100kph.
What rpm does the Ranger engine do at 100kph?

A 2wd manual 2.2l diesel ranger sits at 2000 at 100kmh. I drive one for work. Its a 2013 px though

[Squalo]

All late model diesels are more highly stressed than traditional diesels. But 240k isn't terrible if the servicing has been thorough - oil change every 10k minimum.

Remember you only hear the horror stories online - for every engine that's failed at 200k there's dozens that are well on their way to double that.

My GQ TD42 has 428k on the clock and as someone said earlier will go to 600k easily - but those days are gone thanks to emission requirements.

[jandj]

Key is regular maintenance , yes rangers and bt50 have their problems. But if properly maintained your ute will go 500k , I have a bt50 08 model doesn't miss a beat.

[EDManual]

Originally Posted by Squalo

All late model diesels are more highly stressed than traditional diesels. But 240k isn't terrible if the servicing has been thorough - oil change every 10k minimum.

Yes 240k is terrible for what a diesel should traditionally be. Whats the point in paying extra for one in the first place, they were always meant to do double the km of a petrol (exept falcon 6's of course).

The only modern ones that may last are the v8 diesel landcruisers. AND the latest group are getting smaller and more highly strung! The triton is now a tiny 2.2, was already quite highly strung as a 2.5, the VW is just a 2.0 (How long are they going to last! Any reports?) Makes the Dmax 3.0 with a little less power than the others seem like it may be the one to go for for longevity.

[sprintman1]

Originally Posted by EDManual

Yes 240k is terrible for what a diesel should traditionally be. Whats the point in paying extra for one in the first place, they were always meant to do double the km of a petrol (exept falcon 6's of course).

The only modern ones that may last are the v8 diesel landcruisers. AND the latest group are getting smaller and more highly strung! The triton is now a tiny 2.2, was already quite highly strung as a 2.5, the VW is just a 2.0 (How long are they going to last! Any reports?) Makes the Dmax 3.0 with a little less power than the others seem like it may be the one to go for for longevity.

90% of Isuzu diesel expected to see 500,000 kms plus. And these days dirty fuel is the killer, use Water Watch or other filtration system in addition to std fuel filtering on any make. Oil/filter changes at half book also worth doing on a 'keeper'

[Mont5.0]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Iv'e also posted this in the Ranger section but may get a bigger response here.I'm looking at a 2007 3litre engine with 240000ks runs and drives well.Could I reasonably expect 4-500000 from it or am I being optimistic.I seen a few advertised for $20000+ This is a lot less than that so is it worth buying with a $5000 fix up reserve

How many K's do you do per year and how long do you plan on keeping it?
If your doing 25-30,000k per year, then your talking 7-10years to reach 500,000k's.

Also why not spend the extra you are planning to put aside for future repairs, and by a lower K example.

[SumoDog68]

Originally Posted by EDManual

Yes 240k is terrible for what a diesel should traditionally be. Whats the point in paying extra for one in the first place, they were always meant to do double the km of a petrol (exept falcon 6's of course).

The only modern ones that may last are the v8 diesel landcruisers. AND the latest group are getting smaller and more highly strung! The triton is now a tiny 2.2, was already quite highly strung as a 2.5, the VW is just a 2.0 (How long are they going to last! Any reports?) Makes the Dmax 3.0 with a little less power than the others seem like it may be the one to go for for longevity.

Technology is moving ahead and engines are engineered with better materials and better manufacturing techniques. What you call understressed engine now it was highly stressed engine 20 years ago. Goalposts have moved.
New ,smaller engines make more power and are more efficient.People used to say turbocharged engines won't last. Something like an NA HZ engine will last forever but what are they like to drive ?
Triton is 2.4 with 133kW/430Nm - compression ratio only 15.5 :1 . Isuzu 3l 4JJ is 17.3 compression ratio 130kW/380Nm.
It is all relative as in Europe they consider 2.4l engine big. They get huge milages out of 1.9l VAG or other similar small diesels.

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by Brazen

How much is it?

It is actually Bt50 freestyle with a flattray 4x4 Dx with alloys electrics etc.The starting price was $14000 but I think it is a bit negotiable.I could maybe spend the extra $5-6000 on something newer but still be around $20000 odd and still have 150000 km.

[Mont5.0]

Originally Posted by Tassie f100

It is actually Bt50 freestyle with a flattray 4x4 Dx with alloys electrics etc.The starting price was $14000 but I think it is a bit negotiable.I could maybe spend the extra $5-6000 on something newer but still be around $20000 odd and still have 150000 km.

IMO 150k on a well maintained diesel engine in nothing.

[Trump]

I'm about to take delivery of a diesel X-Trail and have placed an order for the Water Watch kit. The reason: warranty won't cover contaminated fuel and insurance policies vary in their coverage of such failures.

[cheap]

Check for damaged/repaired panels/chassis
Check that it wasn't a repairable write off
Check for rust
Check that things work
Check service records
Check engine compression
Check fuel injector values are within specification
Check fuel filter for contamination
Get oil analysis

Cross fingers hope for the best, it is nearly 10 years old, it is what it is.