The future of driving...

[Sioso]

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...the-eu-117707/

Proposed rules become law in 2022 for speed limiters, black boxes and more

Speed limiters and black-box data recorders will be mandatory on every new vehicle sold in the European Union from 2022.

The European Commission yesterday approved the new rules, which were provisionally agreed on last month, after they were proposed late in 2018. The new rules need to be formally approved by the European Parliament and its 27 members states in September, though this is thought to be a formality.

Pitched as a bid to improve road safety and lower crash deaths across Europe, the rules should trickle down to every car-buying nation that shares the EU compliance regimes – including Australia.

All new models will be required to have the technology fitted by 2022, though models already on sale will have a grace period until 2024 to figure out how to retrofit all of the mandated devices.

The European Union insists the features are for saving lives, estimating it could save 25,000 lives in Europe alone within 25 years, or 1000 lives a year.

The headline act will be the intelligent speed limiters, plus technology to detect distracted, drunk or sleepy drivers and the data-recording black boxes, or event data recorders.

The speed limiters will use GPS data and traffic sign-recognition cameras and will both deliver advice to drivers on speed-limit changes and limit the speed of the vehicle in each zone.

Critically, the limiters can be overridden by the simple means of pushing down the accelerator pedal.

This makes it similar to intelligent speed-limit recognition systems already on sale in some Mercedes-Benz, Audi, Porsche, Bentley, BMW, Volkswagen, Jaguar Land Rover and Skoda vehicles.

Its introduction also makes a slight mockery of Volvo’s public-relations coup of imposing its own 180km/h speed limiters on its cars from next year.

“There have only been a handful of moments in the last 50 years which could be described as big leaps forward for road safety in Europe,” the European Transport Safety Council’s executive director, Antonio Avenoso, said.

“The mandatory introduction of the seatbelt was one, and the first EU minimum crash safety standards, agreed in 1998, was another. If this agreement is given the formal green light, it will represent another of those moments.”

Other rules being introduced in Europe include mandatory compatibility for alcohol interlock systems, designed to stop drink driving in its tracks on a continent with lax policing of drunken driving.

The new rules will also turn some safety technologies, currently sold as value-added safety features, into mandatory, across-the-board technologies.

Many of the technologies on the list are already encouraged as compulsory fitment for any carmaker chasing five Euro NCAP stars, including autonomous emergency braking.

There are fears from some carmakers, including Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and the Volkswagen Group, that the cost of the technologies could effectively spell the end of the smallest A-segment cars, like the Fiat Panda and the Volkswagen Up.

The full list of the new mandatory technologies includes:

• Intelligent speed limiters
• Data-recording black boxes
• Advanced autonomous emergency braking
• Lane departure warning systems
• Alcohol Interlock facilitation

[mike_nofx]

So using GPS it wouldn’t detect if the wheels are spinning at high speed but the vehicle is stationary or moving in small circular patterns?

[Citroënbender]

Policing of regulations is largely up to member countries. Look at the mania for straight-piping diesels in the UK or the prevalence of DPF delete practices. Also to mention sophisticated piggyback boxes or people who will reflash an ECU (even if they later restore the OEM file for an inspection).

The monitoring of operator data will run into significant obstacles with the strong EU privacy laws and their enshrined right of people to access “personal” information and seek amendments. No such protection exists here. :(

I have to wonder if the billions invested, wouldn’t be better spent on attempting to build on positive social conduct - including respectful driving.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Was only a matter of time. Where will lost speeding revenue come from?

Will insurance(s) drop I wonder?

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Was only a matter of time. Where will lost speeding revenue come from?

Will insurance(s) drop I wonder?

When everyone goes autonomous, can you imagine what the insurance cost will be for those who want to drive themselves?! And insurance would become redundant given no one will be having accidents (when they get it right).

Lot of insurance companies are investing into how they stay viable moving into the future

[mcflux]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Was only a matter of time. Where will lost speeding revenue come from?

Will insurance(s) drop I wonder?

More like insurance(s) would increase for those who own vehicles that don’t have these devices implemented.

Or if you want to get all Black Mirror; automatic GPS-evidenced fines sent out if you’re accelerating out of a town (60-100 just prior to the 100 sign) or overtaking a B-Double (momentary 115 in a 100 zone)...

Many worksites have these retrofitted to their work vehicles and the technology has been around for years. You have to badge on or insert a dongle or code to start the vehicle, and that way all of your driving habits are recorded until you stop the engine. One time I was doing 50 in a 60 zone and braked hard to avoid hitting a roo that came out of nowhere. The in-vehicle alarm went off and the event was recorded against my employee ID as “excessive braking”.

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by kypez

When everyone goes autonomous, can you imagine what the insurance cost will be for those who want to drive themselves?! And insurance would become redundant given no one will be having accidents (when they get it right).

Lot of insurance companies are investing into how they stay viable moving into the future

I doubt it’ll ever be redundant.

There will still be hail storms, vandalism, fires and other acts which could damage a car. Plus I doubt road accidents will ever be zero, automated machinery still make mistakes, and probably always will.

[Mechan1k]

I don't call this actual "driving" anymore.
life is going to get super boring.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

I doubt it’ll ever be redundant.



There will still be hail storms, vandalism, fires and other acts which could damage a car. Plus I doubt road accidents will ever be zero, automated machinery still make mistakes, and probably always will.

Sure. But I'd suggest that traffic collisions make up the bulk of automotive claims and set the premiums on perceived risk to be involved in a collision...

Whether we think it will or won't happen, the insurance companies are working on strategies for this possible eventuality.

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[Ben73]

Originally Posted by mcflux

Many worksites have these retrofitted to their work vehicles and the technology has been around for years. You have to badge on or insert a dongle or code to start the vehicle, and that way all of your driving habits are recorded until you stop the engine. One time I was doing 50 in a 60 zone and braked hard to avoid hitting a roo that came out of nowhere. The in-vehicle alarm went off and the event was recorded against my employee ID as “excessive braking”.

We have something similar in our work cars. You brake hard at night time, usually for a roo, and while negotiating the situation this stupid thing beeps and lights up in your face. Safety first! We know braking hard to avoid incidents is such a horrible thing to do and the best way to make it safer is to shine light in the drivers face while making a warning sound.

[Junkyard-Dog]

The future looks bleak.

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by Junkyard-Dog

The future looks bleak.

[Franco Cozzo]

No big deal, give it 6 months until the ECU is cracked and you can just turn it off

[Citroënbender]

Or spoof it. I think there might be lots of people apparently doing blockies when the truth is nothing close.

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

No big deal, give it 6 months until the ECU is cracked and you can just turn it off

That’s the easy part, we’ve bypassed the work vehicles speed limiter easily.

The issue is GPS tracking and monitoring. How do you fool a GPS system to show a slower speed? And surely scrambling the signal will result in some kind of warning being given to the driver.

[simon varley]

just pull the gps fuse. you might lose your navigation, but that's what a Garmin is for.

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by simon varley

just pull the gps fuse. you might lose your navigation, but that's what a Garmin is for.

Which likely sends alarm bells to any nearby police officer, similar to plate recognition does for an unregistered vehicle.

[marty351]

Anybody who legislates and/or enforces compulsory gps systems in privately owned vehicles should politely remove themselves from society, or society may remove them first.

This is how wars start.

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by marty351

Anybody who legislates and/or enforces compulsory gps systems in privately owned vehicles should politely remove themselves from society, or society may remove them first.

This is how wars start.

Anyone with a smartphone in their pocket basically GIVES away GPS location details willingly, forget about it being compulsory.

[marty351]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

Anyone with a smartphone in their pocket basically GIVES away GPS location details willingly, forget about it being compulsory.

Phones can be easily blocked and are not copulsory to carry when you drive your motorcar.

[Mechan1k]

You are already tracked by Google Maps.
Wonder why Google traffic reports are so accurate .... it's cause they know where you are and how fast/slow you are travelling .... along with the other 20 million off people in Australia.

[Junkyard-Dog]

What if you put the GPS unit in a Faraday cage? Good luck transmitting then little friend.

[kmav23]

I think the most important feature would be black boxes and video cameras to record all the accidents.

If someone you knows dies in a car accident you would like to know the actions of the driver or car?

[kmav23]

Originally Posted by marty351

Anybody who legislates and/or enforces compulsory gps systems in privately owned vehicles should politely remove themselves from society, or society may remove them first.

This is how wars start.

Lol you are already being tracked by using technology.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by kmav23

Lol you are already being tracked by using technology.

So are you kmav.. Elon has the Gulags waiting

[Sprintey]

Here's 'Demolition Man' from 1993, accurately predicting ipads, Skype and Google's driverless car in a controlled world:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlpPR_GgwEc


Here's the antidote: the Olds 442:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teFXjTSQGDQ

[Trevor 57]

good enough for trucks, good enough for cars

[PooDog]

In my truck for the last few years we have GPS monitoring set up with the geo fences coming in to and exiting towns any speed over 5km above the posted speed sends an overspeed to a person who monitors it all harsh braking etc , also sensors either side of driver on the dash that watch the pupils of your eyes if your eyes close for than 2 secs I think it is an alarm sounds and the drivers seat shakes ....set up to a camera that when this happens records the last 20 secs so they can see what's happening the recording spouse to go to some place in USA which then ring your supervisor and say your drivers falling asleep

It's all about conditioning us to being constantly monitored so there's someone to blame when the s##t hits the fan , and conditioning us for slowly introducing driver less vehicles

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by muzman

In my truck for the last few years we have GPS monitoring set up with the geo fences coming in to and exiting towns any speed over 5km above the posted speed sends an overspeed to a person who monitors it all harsh braking etc , also sensors either side of driver on the dash that watch the pupils of your eyes if your eyes close for than 2 secs I think it is an alarm sounds and the drivers seat shakes ....set up to a camera that when this happens records the last 20 secs so they can see what's happening the recording spouse to go to some place in USA which then ring your supervisor and say your drivers falling asleep

It's all about conditioning us to being constantly monitored so there's someone to blame when the s##t hits the fan , and conditioning us for slowly introducing driver less vehicles

And in the truck you drive, what happens when the GPS signal is lost, or it’s found you tampered with the GPS using scramblers, faraday cages etc?

[PooDog]

No ònes really gone to that extreme yet.... just pulling sun visor down to cover the camera , tape over the lense , wiring alterations etc . The GPS and over speeds you get used to its the one's behind you that aren't expecting you to slow down before you hit the 50km sign .........paid by the hour so you just roll with it