XR6T or G6E - Potential Future Desirability

[Mulva]

**** it, I'm going full-Hulk...

In VL Commodores, turbo was an option on anything from SL / Executive / Vacationer through Berlina and then Calais, and also throw VicPol's BT1 into the mix too.

VL Turbos now have a cult following and are highly collectable; but it is arguably the VL Calais Turbo that is most desirable of all turbo VLs (Calais and BT1, depending on tastes).

Fast forward to the final decade of turbo Falcons and you have XR6 Turbos and G6E Turbos (plus police-spec XR6T "chasers" with Brembo front and larger wheel package to fit the larger brakes).

So what does the AFF crystal ball see in 10-15 years from now...if year/model/condition/kms is equal, will G6ET be more sought-after than XR6T in future years (just as VL Calais Turbo is the more desirable of all VL turbos)?

And traditionally ex-cop cars cost less than privately owned used cars, but will we ever see the "chaser" XR6Ts with their bigger front brakes/wheels from factory ever fetch a premium over non-cop XR6Ts (like VicPol's yellow BT1 chaser's with their long-range tank fetch a premium over a base-spec VL turbos these days)?

/Hulk

[JasonACT]

Mine's an FG2 XR6T Limited Edition, so I got a lot of the G6E stuff (and I've added more still, which may actually drop any final sale price - if I were to sell - but it still makes me smile).

It's hard to answer some of these questions, like a 5.4L FG(1). I've got what I bought at the time and it's a lot better than you can get now for the price. I'd like some Brembo's, but probably wouldn't consider an ex-cop car. It's outside the usual scope of a car that "was" mine, in that it's got some travel on it and probably harsh compared to my driving style.

[DJM83]

I've always pondered this myself to be honest.

I do see a few posts on Facebook groups, folks looking for good condition XR6 turbos so seems there is a little demand for them now.

I might hold onto mine ��

[rare ss]

I think condition will still be a key driver for future values more so that model, I think the FPV's will always fetch that little more in price than the other models much the same as HDT values are on the next level (comparing a VLCT to say a HDT LE Calais) personally I think the XR6T will fetch a little more that the same a similar condition G6ET down the track

[Rallye Sport]

My monies on the XR5, it seems to be what all the kids are driving and modifying around my neck of the woods.
They'll blow them up or sell them off to buy a house like we all did, then get nostalgic later in life and want one back to relive they're youth.

[Polyal]

Covid saw I6T prices go mental, its calmed down a bit.

This was always going to happen, IMO a clean XR6T will yield better results than a F6 just based on F6 parts being a ***** to get now, let alone in 10 years time.

[ebv8]

my brother wanted to jump on the falcon bandwagon and wanted an FG-X XR8 but after alot of unrealistic prices (well used cars were near mint garaged examples for price) he settled on an FG-X XR6T, half the price of an XR8 ($32k)
anyway his reasoning to get the 6 was that its all Aussie, aftermarket parts are everywhere and will be forsale for many many years and the Coyote will be upgraded soon and become like a boss and forgotten, the godzilla 7.3 is the new ford holy grail (Coyote who??)
anyway in the real world the 6t is a much better thing to own and should last the test of time in straya anyway.

[xisled]

My thinking on this will be what way the car industry goes in the next 10 to 15 years.

Basically will we see electric cars start to rise and will this force the government to start increasing the cost to own a petrol car.

IMO XR6T will be more desirable than a G6ET, due to the amount still available compared to teh G6ET

[Bossxr8]

Would be interested to know the total number built of both of them. I'd take it the G6ET was built in lower numbers?

But to me it looks like both are desirable, just depends which way you want to go with it. The sportier one, or the luxury one.

Mines a 50th Anniversary G6ET, so limited number built. The ones on carsales are 10k+ more expensive than what I paid for mine 2 years ago.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Rallye Sport

My monies on the XR5, it seems to be what all the kids are driving and modifying around my neck of the woods.
They'll blow them up or sell them off to buy a house like we all did, then get nostalgic later in life and want one back to relive they're youth.

I sold mine 8 years ago and I'd still love another.

[Rob 351]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Would be interested to know the total number built of both of them. I'd take it the G6ET was built in lower numbers?

But to me it looks like both are desirable, just depends which way you want to go with it. The sportier one, or the luxury one.

Mines a 50th Anniversary G6ET, so limited number built. The ones on carsales are 10k+ more expensive than what I paid for mine 2 years ago.

Not sure on the FG G6e turbo, but I think there was about 582 FGX G6e turbo’s built. Pretty rare...

[Dr Smith]

Followed an FG-X G6ET down Nepean Highway to the city today and I have to say I forgot how good they looked. The slightly less bulbous rear compared to FG's made it look more tauter, drl's make it look more modern than earlier versions, imho perfect ride height and with the sleeper look and all the fruit available at the time (apart from an lsd).

[jstanovic]

The Calais Turbo was the hero car, there was no sports model with the VL turbo only SL and police spec. Could you get a Berlina with turbo? The SS had the V8 which was the performance model.

XR6T already has a following/reputation and that will be what is remembered. Anyone remotely interested in cars will know about the XR6T, how many would know what you are talking about if you said to them "I've got a G6ET"??????

Have a look at EB Falcons, XR8 vs Fairmont Ghia 5L. The XR8s are more desirable as the Fairmont is still seen as a bit of an old man's car. Same with Fairlanes, they are always a price bracket down from the Falcons, right from XA/ZG, XD/ZJ etc etc.

The G6ET will hold value but won't compete with the XR6T. As always, rare doesn't equal desirable.

[Rob 351]

The VL turbo could be had in SL, Executive, Berlina and Calais.
Similar with 304 5.0 V8. SL, Exec, Berlina and Calais and all 5.0 litre V8’s had the trimatic 3 speed auto.
The only way you could get a manual VL 5.0 was with the HDT Brock VL Group A or the later Walkinshaw VL Group A and both were standard with the 5 speed manual. Possibly could get the manual though with other Brock HDT models like the Director though.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jstanovic

The Calais Turbo was the hero car, there was no sports model with the VL turbo only SL and police spec. Could you get a Berlina with turbo? The SS had the V8 which was the performance model.

XR6T already has a following/reputation and that will be what is remembered. Anyone remotely interested in cars will know about the XR6T, how many would know what you are talking about if you said to them "I've got a G6ET"??????

Have a look at EB Falcons, XR8 vs Fairmont Ghia 5L. The XR8s are more desirable as the Fairmont is still seen as a bit of an old man's car. Same with Fairlanes, they are always a price bracket down from the Falcons, right from XA/ZG, XD/ZJ etc etc.

The G6ET will hold value but won't compete with the XR6T. As always, rare doesn't equal desirable.

Best friend once owned a stock VL Berlina Turbo 5 speed manual....very rare one...

[CyberWasp]

As with all cars, unmodified ones will always give the best return in the long run.

[rare ss]

Originally Posted by Rob 351

The VL turbo could be had in SL, Executive, Berlina and Calais.
Similar with 304 5.0 V8. SL, Exec, Berlina and Calais and all 5.0 litre V8’s had the trimatic 3 speed auto.
The only way you could get a manual VL 5.0 was with the HDT Brock VL Group A or the later Walkinshaw VL Group A and both were standard with the 5 speed manual. Possibly could get the manual though with other Brock HDT models like the Director though.

Indeed, you could get almost anything in the HDT VL Range, from a fully optioned Director - 5.6L stroker, 5 speed or T700 with IRS right down to a standard VL Calais with steering wheel and suspension tweaks, I don't remember seeing any but I'm sure there were some 5 speed VL Calais Sport V8's made, maybe?.. it's hard to know for sure without the HDT build sheets to match the car to confirm as they would have left GMH as an auto

As mentioned though the only cars that left GMH with a V8 manual were the HDT Group A and HSV Group A

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Rallye Sport

My monies on the XR5, it seems to be what all the kids are driving and modifying around my neck of the woods.
They'll blow them up or sell them off to buy a house like we all did, then get nostalgic later in life and want one back to relive they're youth.

They're still holding their values well, they're significantly costlier on the second hand market compared to an XR5 Mondeo as well.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by jstanovic

The Calais Turbo was the hero car, there was no sports model with the VL turbo only SL and police spec. Could you get a Berlina with turbo? The SS had the V8 which was the performance model.

XR6T already has a following/reputation and that will be what is remembered. Anyone remotely interested in cars will know about the XR6T, how many would know what you are talking about if you said to them "I've got a G6ET"??????

Have a look at EB Falcons, XR8 vs Fairmont Ghia 5L. The XR8s are more desirable as the Fairmont is still seen as a bit of an old man's car. Same with Fairlanes, they are always a price bracket down from the Falcons, right from XA/ZG, XD/ZJ etc etc.

The G6ET will hold value but won't compete with the XR6T. As always, rare doesn't equal desirable.

I don't agree. If anything I think the G6ET's are just as sought after. Going by what you see posted on stuff like Barra Nation etc on IG, a lot of them are G series, not XR's.

The manual XR's are probably the ones that will end up being the ones who get the higher values, but that's just down to rarity. Don't know why though, auto and turbo is a heaps better combination than manual and turbo.

Originally Posted by Rob 351

Not sure on the FG G6e turbo, but I think there was about 582 FGX G6e turbo’s built. Pretty rare...

Yeah the FG-X is small numbers of just about everything. But Turbo Sprint took a large chunk of turbo production, leaving very few non Sprint versions.

[Vesper Martini]

The VL Turbo does seem to fetch a good price nowadays, but without looking id say a VL Group A SS would have gone up in value more. then ethers the Walky is on another level.

IMO a G6ET is a car to keep over then stander XR6T, just a sharper looking car.

in the same way the calais is more popular for the red army

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

The VL Turbo does seem to fetch a good price nowadays, but without looking id say a VL Group A SS would have gone up in value more. then ethers the Walky is on another level.

IMO a G6ET is a car to keep over then stander XR6T, just a sharper looking car.

in the same way the calais is more popular for the red army

Race homologation models are in another universe to regular production vehicles.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I don't agree. If anything I think the G6ET's are just as sought after. Going by what you see posted on stuff like Barra Nation etc on IG, a lot of them are G series, not XR's.

The manual XR's are probably the ones that will end up being the ones who get the higher values, but that's just down to rarity. Don't know why though, auto and turbo is a heaps better combination than manual and turbo.

Definitely the auto/turbo is faster.
Better?
Debatable.
Definitely reckon they (manuals) be more sort after (taking nothing away from the turbo Autos)
Something like what you have is definitely a keeper Imo.

[Polyal]

Manual cars pull better money because of supply/demand, plus by this point most of them become weekend cars.

Manual XR6T for the win, Boss to worry mate, I think the 20th anni is the pick of the G6ET's.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by DJM83

Definitely the auto/turbo is faster.
Better?
Debatable.
Definitely reckon they (manuals) be more sort after (taking nothing away from the turbo Autos)
Something like what you have is definitely a keeper Imo.

It's the falling off boost between shifts. It works much better as an auto keeping it on the boil. And trying to launch a manual turbo isn't easy either.

The manuals are much harder to come by, and are really suited to the enthusiast crowd who want to shift their own gears. Their values will remain higher due to this. I just think the turbo with auto is better matched. Just like the V8 is better suited to a manual. Horses for courses though.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It's the falling off boost between shifts. It works much better as an auto keeping it on the boil. And trying to launch a manual turbo isn't easy either.

The manuals are much harder to come by, and are really suited to the enthusiast crowd who want to shift their own gears. Their values will remain higher due to this. I just think the turbo with auto is better matched. Just like the V8 is better suited to a manual. Horses for courses though.

Couldn't agree more. Definitely know why the auto is better with the turbo.
There's no way I'd line up an auto in my Ute
Manual Ute's have launch control (never tried it as I'm very kind to my Ute)

[CyberWasp]

My problem is what do I do about things like Paint, after which spending most of its time outside is cactus.
Cost of redoing things like this out weigh the cost of the vehicle, and make no economic sense to do.

[JasonACT]

I'm with you there, mine has been garaged most of its life. But for one year work moved buildings to where there was only an outdoor carpark. Then back elsewhere under cover for 4 more years. 8 months ago, back to that sucky outdoor carpark, but I've been told in a month we're back to a 3 minute walk from my nice undercover one (work has a few buildings, so I've still got access).

What stress though! Not to mention moving into my povo home with only a carport (which "I fixed"):



No more frosted windows in the cold ACT winters, when I did this, I didn't even know that would be a benefit.

[Burnout]

I'm keeping my G6ET 50th. They were a low number production as well & may go for good $ years from now.
Its up to the market in the future.

[bb_zetec]

While not a turbo my FGII is a Manual XR Ute With the LE Extras...ive decided its a keeper for me and cant let it go. Value wise i dont know what it will be worth in the future but in 2018 i thought of selling it (lucky i diddnt) and was lowballed offers of 13K for a less than 100,000 Klm Car at the time.

From what i know not many were made with the manual transmission...it took me a while to find this one when i got it.

[jstanovic]

Just keep in mind the cost of keeping the car. If you keep it registered and insured for the next 15 years, say $1200/year so $18k + maintenance/repairs + storage.

Ignore the above if you like the car and enjoy it, then the $$$ don’t matter!