Vfacts june 2022

[DFB FGXR6]

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...-sales-figures

Brands -
Toyota 22,561 7.0%
Kia 8480 7.5%
Hyundai 8259 12.3%
Mazda 6245 -48.9%
Mitsubishi 5846 3.6%
Ford 4972 -41.2%
MG 4403 2.3%
Mercedes-Benz 4267 10.4%
Subaru 3575 18.3%
Isuzu Ute 3457 -12.8%

Models -
Toyota HiLux – 7582
Hyundai Tucson – 2840
Ford Ranger – 2802
Toyota Corolla – 2605
Toyota RAV4 – 2586
Isuzu D-Max – 2383
Kia Sportage – 2044
Mitsubishi Triton – 2014
Hyundai i30 – 1801
MG HS – 1795

Ford Numbers -

Ford EcoSport 0
Ford Endura 0
Ford Escape 264
Ford Everest 1,234
Ford Fiesta 36
Ford Focus 5
Ford Mondeo 0
Ford Mustang 187
Ford Puma 352
Ford Ranger 4X2 255
Ford Ranger 4X4 2,547
Ford Transit Bus 1
Ford Transit Custom 50
Ford Transit Heavy 41
Ford Total 4,972

[Smoke Pursuit]

Good month for Hilux…

[Dr Smith]

As I read somewhere else Vfacts reflects what car companies can bring in rather than what they can sell at the moment.

[csv8]

Ford Fiesta 36 ? it hasnt been on the market for a couple of years? Cars in dealers yards finally selling?

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by csv8

Ford Fiesta 36 ? it hasnt been on the market for a couple of years? Cars in dealers yards finally selling?

Fiesta ST is still available in Aus

https://www.ford.com.au/cars/fiesta-st/

[Franco Cozzo]

Curious to see the breakdown of Hilux 4x2 vs 4x4 like we have for the Ranger.

[Bossxr8]

New record for Everest. It's actually starting to really close in on Prado.

But all these numbers have to be taken with a grain of salt, because they all come down to supply, not actual sales or orders.

Hilux has barely been affected by chip supply at all. They had a couple of months earlier in the year where it was, but next to no issues since. That should be the case for Ranger in the coming months too. It will be an interesting battle once supplies of New Gen start hitting the dealers in sufficient numbers.

[au2000]

Out with the old n in with the new model will affect sales numbers no doubts.. the recent financial pressures will also as the rates continue to rise and people begin to prioritise purchases.
Do we need to buy a new car? Petrol costs will all come into play over the next 6 to 12 months id think

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by au2000

Out with the old n in with the new model will affect sales numbers no doubts.. the recent financiasl pressures will also as the rates continue to rise and people begin to prioritise purchases

In theory the numbers shouldn't be affected much this year, as just about every car you can buy has waiting lists for months on end. Probably won't slow down till later in the year, unless people just start cancelling orders en masse.

It might mean the guy who was expecting a 12 month wait might get his car in 9 though.

But at some point, the demand is going to start matching supply. Rather than it being skewed massively one way like it has been.

[EBSXR6]

Only 2 Cars in the top 10. I wonder how long some models will be available for, Camry, Sonata Accord, Civic etc

[Vekgib]

Being very naive here, and bracing myself to be shouted down, but:
7,500 HiLux in a 30 day month = 250 per day.
24 hours in a day = 10 per hour
1 sold every 6 minutes 24/7
Alternatively, if we just classify it every working day (9-5), then it's 1 sold every two minutes.
Not bad.
Yeah, I know.... fleet orders etc.
250 a day isn't to be sneezed at though.

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by Vekgib

Being very naive here, and bracing myself to be shouted down, but:
7,500 HiLux in a 30 day month = 250 per day.
24 hours in a day = 10 per hour
1 sold every 6 minutes 24/7
Alternatively, if we just classify it every working day (9-5), then it's 1 sold every two minutes.
Not bad.
Yeah, I know.... fleet orders etc.
250 a day isn't to be sneezed at though.

I believe Toyota have around 300 dealerships in Australia, that's less than 1 Hilux per dealer per day.

In the early 70s Holden & Ford were selling a lot more than that of their more popular models.

Dr Terry

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

I believe Toyota have around 300 dealerships in Australia, that's less than 1 Hilux per dealer per day.

In the early 70s Holden & Ford were selling a lot more than that of their more popular models.

Dr Terry

mind you the choices back then was nothing compared to todays markets so the point is moot.

Vekgib good points, obviously the Toy crowd don't get much credit here to the Ranger devotees but under the circumstances what a killer month to me.
They always have the target on the back as expected but they normally end up trumps barring the exceptions.

Even when new Ranger gets out nothing will be settled re who's the winner till world order gets back to some kind of new normal a year or 2 away with regular stock flows.
Right now till then he/she who has stock at varying times will win the monthly battle but I have a funny usual feeling who will win the war in the end purely based on far more choice/range and as mentioned distribution.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Vekgib

Being very naive here, and bracing myself to be shouted down, but:
7,500 HiLux in a 30 day month = 250 per day.
24 hours in a day = 10 per hour
1 sold every 6 minutes 24/7
Alternatively, if we just classify it every working day (9-5), then it's 1 sold every two minutes.
Not bad.
Yeah, I know.... fleet orders etc.
250 a day isn't to be sneezed at though.

What you are forgetting is this is the number of cars registered and by implication handed over to customers so while this many were registered in one month the actual period over which the orders were signed and some deposit handed over could be a over a few months, maybe even dating back 5+months. And obviously Toyota managed to get a big number shipped over after some issues during the year. On the other hand Tesla has had big delays so when their expected next 2 ship loads arrive I believe in August expect a very big number to show in in the corresponding Vfacts.

[Vekgib]

Sorry for stating an opinion guys.

I'll just slowly retreat back over to a corner.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Curious to see the breakdown of Hilux 4x2 vs 4x4 like we have for the Ranger.

Hilux 4x4 5,355
Hilux 4x2 2,227

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

In theory the numbers shouldn't be affected much this year, as just about every car you can buy has waiting lists for months on end. Probably won't slow down till later in the year, unless people just start cancelling orders en masse.

It might mean the guy who was expecting a 12 month wait might get his car in 9 though.

But at some point, the demand is going to start matching supply. Rather than it being skewed massively one way like it has been.

I doubt it, I think the new reality is getting as much forward ordered as possible with
just a light sprinkling of dealer stock, maybe less regulation on commercial buyers.

Now that Ford Europe plans to go full electric in the next few years, maybe some C2
models will move to Thailand, that could really help out sales in the Asia pacific region.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I doubt it, I think the new reality is getting as much forward ordered as possible with
just a light sprinkling of dealer stock, maybe less regulation on commercial buyers.

Now that Ford Europe plans to go full electric in the next few years, maybe some C2
models will move to Thailand, that could really help out sales in the Asia pacific region.

That may work on Fleet portion side of the business for some companies but not a large % of the average consumer or small biz owner.
The OE may like to try force business this way but the mentioned other type of buyer don't like buying that way unless forced like the covid period.
Once supply improves way down the track it will go not to pre covid times but going that way.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Hilux 4x4 5,355
Hilux 4x2 2,227

Thanks for that,

Big numbers for Hilux 4x2 in comparison to Ranger 4x2, lots of fleet/business purchases for the Hilux 4x2 I reckon where as the Ranger and its huge 4x4 numbers in comparison to the 4x2 seems to be the fan amongst private buyers.

Wonder how many of those 4x2 ones are workmate 2.7L unleaded banger

[hackney]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Thanks for that,

Big numbers for Hilux 4x2 in comparison to Ranger 4x2, lots of fleet/business purchases for the Hilux 4x2 I reckon where as the Ranger and its huge 4x4 numbers in comparison to the 4x2 seems to be the fan amongst private buyers.

Wonder how many of those 4x2 ones are workmate 2.7L unleaded banger

You have to remember,Ranger is in change over of a new model, stocks are very,very low.Once Ranger is released,figures should be vastly different.Everest has 19,000 pre orders.Toyota are on notice.

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by FTE217

mind you the choices back then was nothing compared to todays markets so the point is moot.

True, but the market was only half the size (in total sales) back then.

Dr Terry

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Vekgib

Sorry for stating an opinion guys.

I'll just slowly retreat back over to a corner.

There's nothing wrong with you're opinion, me and others just added some thoughts around what is happening at dealerships, some of which is fact, like the number of Toyota dealers. And if your numbers are correct then you could say instead that 1 every 2 minutes was handed over to a customer, either way it's a very impressive number and until now something like that was how I looked at F-series sales in the US where it's X number per Y seconds sold.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by hackney

You have to remember,Ranger is in change over of a new model, stocks are very,very low.Once Ranger is released,figures should be vastly different.Everest has 19,000 pre orders.Toyota are on notice.

Yeah but still Ranger 4x2 has always sold nothing in comparison to the Hilux 4x2, its a lot more expensive and no more el cheapo 2.5L unleaded option either, I think they stopped it in PXII.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Yeah but still Ranger 4x2 has always sold nothing in comparison to the Hilux 4x2, its a lot more expensive and no more el cheapo 2.5L unleaded option either, I think they stopped it in PXII.

yep and there will always be peaks and valleys even when chips become more available.
Ofcourse at run out models changes there are dips as well mentioned like nothing new there as well.
There's always a counter that I giggle at, competition is great the Toy crowd on notice, good thats what we wish for and they'll counter in time like they have to date.
Its all in the timing, once Ranger supply lifts it will be hip hip hooray we on top, suddenly they/Toy have another snag supply or some issue, then they comeback.
What goes around comes around we've watched it for years/decades.
The main thing they have as mentioned, Range and Distribution, they will come out on top sooner or later its a given.

[Bossxr8]

Toyota diverted a bunch of Hilux builds to australia to try to rain on the new Rangers parade. Little did they know that the Ranger was being delayed a month, so they got the wrong month

They would better hope they have another big shipment they can take otherwise it's made then look a bit silly. No really sure what they were going to achieve by doing it anyway. If you pull through orders it's only going to mean you'll get less the following months.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Toyota diverted a bunch of Hilux builds to australia to try to rain on the new Rangers parade. Little did they know that the Ranger was being delayed a month, so they got the wrong month

They would better hope they have another big shipment they can take otherwise it's made then look a bit silly. No really sure what they were going to achieve by doing it anyway. If you pull through orders it's only going to mean you'll get less the following months.

As I previously posted: ‘Toyota are on notice’!

[BENT_8]

Lol, Toyota on notice whilst delivering more units each month than Ford could if it delivered all 19000 orders plus the usual handful of sundries.

I bet they're shaking in their boots.

[jpd80]

Hats off to Toyota, there’s a ton of Ute sales to be had, it’s now up to Ford to get its act together and start delivering, they have great product, they just need to get it done

[au2000]

New ranger will do well no doubts but as others have mentioned.. toyota will probably meet the new bar at some stage also.. overall sales numbers if thats what people are only focused on wont change much.. toyota clear overall out front. As others keep saying.. all comes down to overall profit per year.. not how many or how little you make or sell.
Toyotas strong point as always is its reliability reputation.

[jpd80]

Strong showing for Everest is encouraging