Vfacts august 2022

**DFB FGXR6** · 05-09-2022, 06:06 PM

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...d-in-a-big-way

"Australia’s new vehicle sales (checked against registrations) rebounded in August, up 17.3 per cent over the same month last year to 95,256 cars.

It was the best August in five years, suggesting the supply of vehicles is steadily improving. It also takes the year-to-date tally to 717,575, down 2.1 per cent on 2021."

Top 10 Models -

Toyota 20,616 3.3%
Mazda 8824 15.4%
Kia 6780 33.9%
Hyundai 6643 32.4%
Mitsubishi 6380 32.9%
Ford 5839 15.4%
Tesla 3397 N/A
MG 3074 2.1%
Subaru 2960 -8.4%
Mercedes-Benz 2886 22.1%

Top 10 Brands -

Toyota HiLux – 6214
Ford Ranger – 4497
Toyota RAV4 – 2482
Tesla Model 3 – 2380
Mazda CX-5 – 2325
Toyota Corolla – 2115
Mitsubishi Triton – 2087
Hyundai i30 – 1975
Isuzu D-Max – 1928
Toyota Prado – 1903

Ford Numbers -

Ford EcoSport – 0
Ford Endura – 0
Ford Escape – 209
Ford Everest – 417
Ford Fiesta – 14
Ford Focus – 16
Ford Mondeo – 0
Ford Mustang – 261
Ford Puma – 237
Ford Ranger 4x2 – 467
Ford Ranger 4x4 – 4030
Ford Transit Bus – 1
Ford Transit Custom – 164
Ford Transit Heavy – 23
Ford Total – 5839

Dr Smith · 05-09-2022, 07:08 PM

I'd love to know what the sales numbers would be if supply of components was unlimited, multiple ship loads didn't suddenly arrive in quick succession skewing up individual monthly numbers, or if shipping were not delayed also skewing down numbers, if OS divisions didn't favour their local supply vs Australia,...if.. if ..if....frankly Vfacts doesn't seem to me to hold any real relevance to a models success rather which importer has a parent looking after it better.

**kypez** · 05-09-2022, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

I'd love to know what the sales numbers would be if supply of components was unlimited, multiple ship loads didn't suddenly arrive in quick succession skewing up individual monthly numbers, or if shipping were not delayed also skewing down numbers, if OS divisions didn't favour their local supply vs Australia,...if.. if ..if....frankly Vfacts doesn't seem to me to hold any real relevance to a models success rather which importer has a parent looking after it better.

Year to date average out the year. Supply is good these days for most brands. The run into Christmas will see what the market looks like with a good supply.

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Falcon SXR8 · 05-09-2022, 09:43 PM

Hilux keeps flying out the doors

jpd80 · 06-09-2022, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Falcon SXR8

Hilux keeps flying out the doors

Between Hilux and Ranger’s sales last month, that’s close to 11,000 Utes.
I wonder if the tide is going out on the other brands’ sales…
Third place Triton just made it into the 2,000s with 2,087.

Tesla 3……..2,380
Tesla Y….….1,017

Seriously, Ford needs to bring Mustang Mach E to Australia in decent supply, it’s money in the bank.

Smoke Pursuit · 06-09-2022, 10:52 AM

It just shows its all about reputation with Toyota. You can build the most boring, useless cars but if they are perceived as being quality with decent resale people will buy them.

I would buy a Triton over a Hilux.... I just don't get it. But of course Ford has let me down again with my new Ranger... Tail shaft needs replacing, its missing the zone lighting from factory and its throwing warnings about certain safety systems.

Ford build the best cars you can buy for the dollars but their build quality is rat **** and they never seem to be able to get on top of it.

**kypez** · 06-09-2022, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Between Hilux and Ranger’s sales last month, that’s close to 11,000 Utes.
I wonder if the tide is going out on the other brands’ sales…
Third place Triton just made it into the 2,000s with 2,087.

Tesla 3……..2,380
Tesla Y….….1,017

Seriously, Ford needs to bring Mustang Mach E to Australia in decent supply, it’s money in the bank.

That number is just going to get higher this month and next. Huge numbers coming in now.

Agreed. The Mach E would be money for Jam for Ford. Madness that they don't bring the product here.

Bossxr8 · 06-09-2022, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

I'd love to know what the sales numbers would be if supply of components was unlimited, multiple ship loads didn't suddenly arrive in quick succession skewing up individual monthly numbers, or if shipping were not delayed also skewing down numbers, if OS divisions didn't favour their local supply vs Australia,...if.. if ..if....frankly Vfacts doesn't seem to me to hold any real relevance to a models success rather which importer has a parent looking after it better.

Yeah the numbers are completely skewed atm, and many brands are going month to month with huge variations in numbers.

Seems to maybe be starting to smooth out a bit now though.

Bossxr8 · 06-09-2022, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Seriously, Ford needs to bring Mustang Mach E to Australia in decent supply, it’s money in the bank.

I reckon the announcement is imminent. A few online articles have already gone the early crow that the announcement is coming.

**kypez** · 06-09-2022, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I reckon the announcement is imminent. A few online articles have already gone the early crow that the announcement is coming.

Ford should just pay Tesla to use their network in Australia. Big part of the reason people buy Teslas is for the Supercharger network that is the best in Australia.

We get Tesla number 4 this Friday. A Model Y. Would've happily bought a Mach E instead.

Adamz Ghia · 06-09-2022, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I reckon the announcement is imminent. A few online articles have already gone the early crow that the announcement is coming.

I read an article around 3 weeks ago saying it was locked in, but nothing further was said so I assumed it was just a clickbait article. Carsales I think it was.

I hope it’s priced in our budget, we’d love to have one alongside a ute.

HSVKILLA · 06-09-2022, 09:56 PM

https://www.tarmaclife.co.nz/ford-re...ach-e-line-up/

Bossxr8 · 07-09-2022, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

I read an article around 3 weeks ago saying it was locked in, but nothing further was said so I assumed it was just a clickbait article. Carsales I think it was.

I hope it’s priced in our budget, we’d love to have one alongside a ute.

It won't be cheap. 90-100k minimum at a guess?

Big_Daz · 07-09-2022, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by kypez

Ford should just pay Tesla to use their network in Australia. Big part of the reason people buy Teslas is for the Supercharger network that is the best in Australia.

We get Tesla number 4 this Friday. A Model Y. Would've happily bought a Mach E instead.

Off topic, but is it true that only Tesla's can use the Tesla charges (as well as the others) and non tesla EV's cant, not even at some sort of charge?

**kypez** · 07-09-2022, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It won't be cheap. 90-100k minimum at a guess?

Then they might as well not bother. The Y in standard is $73k plus onroads. It was $69k before the price jump recently. Sure, the GT would be acceptable at that price point but the RWD needs to be significantly less or they'll just keep giving Tesla the market share.

**kypez** · 07-09-2022, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Big_Daz

Off topic, but is it true that only Tesla's can use the Tesla charges (as well as the others) and non tesla EV's cant, not even at some sort of charge?

Yes, its true.

Reason for this was Tesla invited other brands to work with them to roll out the network and the big companies said, FU Tesla, we don't need some startup telling us how to do things. So Tesla did it alone. Now who is laughing!

It may change in time as it is in Europe where Tesla are piloting opening the network to other manufacturers. As an owner, I'd rather they didn't do this as I like that I have exclusive access to the network.

If I planned to do any country driving in Australia, I'd never look at any other car than a Tesla (which is why we have so many Teslas, we love taking them for long drives into the country). The network is just so far superior to anything else out there.

jpd80 · 07-09-2022, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It won't be cheap. 90-100k minimum at a guess?

Notice the price jump for Mach E RWD,
- USD$ 50,000
- UK £50,030

One would hope that the starting priced would be AUS$70,000 but the realist in me
knows that this vehicle will be max priced for the Ford fans but dearer than Tesla Y?

Dr Smith · 08-09-2022, 06:25 AM

Following on from HSVKILLA's link Ford NZ has a Q2/2023 reference for the Mach-E
https://www.ford.co.nz/
https://www.ford.co.nz/showroom/futu...ng-mach-e.html
so I'd assume Ford OZ will make some noise in between...

Bossxr8 · 08-09-2022, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Notice the price jump for Mach E RWD,
- USD$ 50,000
- UK £50,030

One would hope that the starting priced would be AUS$70,000 but the realist in me
knows that this vehicle will be max priced for the Ford fans but dearer than Tesla Y?

Tesla price is irrelevant. They simply won't care what they are doing, because it will be in such limited supply most likely, that they will have no issue selling whatever small amount they will get.

They can literally set the price wherever they want it. With the factory being so short of supply i'd be surprised if they can even get more than a few hundred a year.

We will see what happens if and when an announcement is made.

**kypez** · 08-09-2022, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Tesla price is irrelevant. They simply won't care what they are doing, because it will be in such limited supply most likely, that they will have no issue selling whatever small amount they will get.

They can literally set the price wherever they want it. With the factory being so short of supply i'd be surprised if they can even get more than a few hundred a year.

We will see what happens if and when an announcement is made.

So like the Ioniq 5 with Hyundai. They're always SOLD OUT in 15 minutes but they only bring 150 cars a quarter or so. Easy to sell out when you don't bring any stock into the country. Won't even average out across the year at such small numbers.

I hope they bring them in some meaningful numbers. From all reports, they're a pretty good car. $90-100k is more than even a Raptor or Everest Platinum.

jpd80 · 08-09-2022, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Tesla price is irrelevant. They simply won't care what they are doing, because it will be in such limited supply most likely, that they will have no issue selling whatever small amount they will get.

They can literally set the price wherever they want it. With the factory being so short of supply i'd be surprised if they can even get more than a few hundred a year.

We will see what happens if and when an announcement is made.

You know what, you’re absolutely right.
In the US, Tesla averages 60,000 deliveries of 3 & Y a month where Ford struggles
to sell Mach E at a tenth of that (6,000) So yeah, I have no earthly idea how Ford
intends to supply North America, Europe and Australia, hard to imagine any supply,
maybe a few hundred a month of Mach E is enough for them…

Bossxr8 · 09-09-2022, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

You know what, you’re absolutely right.
In the US, Tesla averages 60,000 deliveries of 3 & Y a month where Ford struggles
to sell Mach E at a tenth of that (6,000) So yeah, I have no earthly idea how Ford
intends to supply North America, Europe and Australia, hard to imagine any supply,
maybe a few hundred a month of Mach E is enough for them…

Not much they can do till the new battery plants come on line. Then you'll start to see production ramp up significantly.