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07-11-2022, 01:50 PM | #1 | ||
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07-11-2022, 01:53 PM | #2 | ||
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For general safety check...there might be an argument.
But if it includes all the other malarkey that has nothing to do with safety, then a big fat NO from me.
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07-11-2022, 01:57 PM | #3 | ||
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07-11-2022, 02:12 PM | #4 | ||
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Long overdue look forward to it
If you frequent a shonk mechanic yep he'll take advantage, will weed out some dodgy workshops and have more safer cars on the roads with appropite tread on rubber and brakes in good working order - I'd sooner the 2 above when these low maintenance neglecting repairs when heading towards my wife's car and kids in the rain more so.......
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07-11-2022, 03:07 PM | #5 | ||
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I'm in two minds with this one. I am all for checks of cars, ours are regularly serviced by the dealer.
My concern is around who will fund the annual checks? Ideally it should be part of the rego, which is costly as it is (otherwise just another money grab to hide the issue or **** drivers and **** roads). The image only states it is linked to rego but my assumption on that is, no pass, no rego. The second item would be to understand what the criteria/scope of checks will include. My worry is that it would "creep" out a little. Thirdly who would be eligible to carry out these checks and how long before the rego expires will it need to be done?
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07-11-2022, 03:27 PM | #6 | ||
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I've never paid for a legitimate road worthy certificate in my life - and I don't intend on starting now
Good money spinner for workshops, anyone willing to bend the rules is going to do well out of this. I've still got my ABN VACC don't know **** from clay, they're just trying to pretend they're actually doing something for their members aside from their white and orange sign they give you. You'd do more for safety if you introduced Australian Standards for replacement service items, no more Chinese tyres and brake pads that don't grip for **** and hardly stop the car. Car yard wants second hand tyres and $12 brake pads for the cars on its lot and when it rains your child ends up on DCOA compilation backwards in the roundabout. If they want to introduce this legislation then since speed limits are set for the lowest common denominator on our roads then those of us who pass these requirements should be able to do speed limit + 250% Poor vehicle condition leads to 6% of traffic fatalities, so let's spend a ****load overhauling the registration system of Victoria to reduce it by 50%, to a total of 3% of the road toll. So in 2021, 11 people died on our roads from poorly maintained cars, and they want to spend all this money to reduce it to around 6 people a year. How many Victorians die a week from COVID? Why this fascination with the minuscule amount of Victorians dying on our roads? 185 deaths/year out of 6.3 million people is acceptable numbers to me - system is fine as it is. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 07-11-2022 at 03:47 PM. |
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07-11-2022, 03:49 PM | #7 | ||
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https://www.bitre.gov.au/statistics/...crash_database
A quick look at the fatality stats from the last few years, excluding covid lock down years. Which states have yearly checks? NSW as far as I know. Based on that, doesn't look like its making a difference. Have I missed something? 2018: ACT 9 NSW 347 NT 50 Qld 245 SA 80 Tas 32 Vic 213 WA 158 2019: ACT 6 NSW 353 NT 36 Qld 219 SA 114 Tas 29 Vic 266 WA 163 2022: ACT 12 NSW 226 NT 38 Qld 226 SA 55 Tas 43 Vic 192 WA 118
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07-11-2022, 03:52 PM | #8 | |||
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Mountain out of a mole hill, if anything they should be cutting funding to organisations like the TAC because they're over funded. |
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07-11-2022, 03:54 PM | #9 | ||
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Annual rego inspections, really? Its not a big deal if your car is in decent shape. If you drive a raging pile, well, if deemed unsafe then probably shouldnt be on the road.
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07-11-2022, 04:31 PM | #10 | ||
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Won't happen, there is no data to support the implementation of RWC in Victoria
Less than 1% of all fatal and near fatal accidents are a result of an unroadworthy vehicle, it is ALWAYS other contributing factors, like speed, fatigue alcohol & drugs, distraction, etc NSW has compulsory annual roadworthies and their road fatalities are no better than ours (in fact worse) and T3rminator's numbers support my argument The whole thing is about drumming up business for their members , nothing more, nothing less
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07-11-2022, 05:17 PM | #11 | |||
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6 monthly or annual vehicle checks can be carried out by Indy garages at their discretion but most checks done by Govt initiated testing stations full of third world failed ‘mechanics’ paid above industry standard but have nfi what they are looking at. |
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07-11-2022, 09:08 PM | #12 | ||
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It will come in at some point as some “green initiative” to remove older cars from our roads and replace them with newer ev’s
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07-11-2022, 09:11 PM | #13 | ||
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07-11-2022, 09:33 PM | #14 | ||
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I'm surprised it's out to 8 years. UK starts at 3yo cars annually, Germany starts at 3yo bi-annually. 15 US states have annual inspection requirements starting even from 2yo
I'm further surprised that Vic Classic reg doesn't require roadworthy after the initial one |
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07-11-2022, 09:36 PM | #15 | ||
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Pre uber Taxis in Qld had to be inspected 6 monthly by Qld Transport...after uber yearly by any mechanic that got a certificate...muuuch safer.
I remember one govt inspection the Falcon car failed because the rubber bung in the spare wheel well was missing...it wasnt missing I took it out as the wheel well fills with rainwater in taxis as the boot is open a lot. The newby junior guy was adamant it was a safety breach as people could get gassed by exhaust fumes. I walked into the Boss guys office (who I knew and was sensible) with the junior protesting, explaining to the boss regulation 2.3(a) or whatever the exhaust fumes would get sucked in and carbon monoxide poisoning, and certain death would follow blah, blah blah. I turned to junior and said "What happens if open a window then?"...boss guy cracks up laughing and stamps me "passed", tells me to F off back to work and was tearing strips off junior as I left. A lot of good intentions fail miserably in execution. |
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08-11-2022, 06:58 AM | #16 | ||
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A quick look around NSW, tells me annual RWC checks dont really do a lot. So many piles of junk on the road.
Ive had a car have a NSW RWC, where i stayed and waited and it never left the workshop. There would be and is workshops that do do the right thing thats for sure. I highly doubt its about Roadworthiness of cars and road safety.
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08-11-2022, 07:43 AM | #17 | |||
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08-11-2022, 11:00 AM | #18 | ||
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As Franco mentioned TAC's generous budgetary allowance, perhaps we may see an advert or two highlighting dodgy mechanics and DIY service and repair fails.
I'd be targeting the community segment that are somewhat averse to spending any amount of money, even for the most egregious issues. |
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08-11-2022, 11:09 AM | #19 | |||
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They'd be better off trying to shore up support for independent repairers rather than trying to lobby the media with bull**** stories, but that would mean actually doing something for the money you give them. They're an irrelevant group who do **** all for the industry. |
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08-11-2022, 11:11 AM | #20 | ||
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Doesn't work in NSW, what makes them think it'll work in VIC?
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08-11-2022, 02:36 PM | #21 | ||
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sure, but it's about a lot more than just corrosion isn't it? brake fluid degrades after 2 years as it's hydroscopic. over worn tyres and busted headlamps would be picked up. again - it only proves the car is safe 'on the day' but given some of the **** heaps around here I can't wait for it to come.
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08-11-2022, 03:54 PM | #22 | |||
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08-11-2022, 04:07 PM | #23 | ||
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1000%. I've had two brake lines rupture on me whilst on the road. Its never been picked up despite being in for a number of $28 pedders checks. Given how they like to report every nitty gritty detail, I find it hard to believe they will not have inspected it, so one can assume they looked ok at the time.
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08-11-2022, 04:09 PM | #24 | ||
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The VACC float this proposal every so often using the same argument. Touting business for their membership.
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08-11-2022, 05:06 PM | #25 | ||
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I've seen some of the second hand cars in Victoria without RWC, you guys need it! And that show Highway Patrol. Seems all the vic cars have no tread on their tyres.
We have had it for 5 year old cars forever in NSW. Indicators, lights, brake lights, tyres, leaks and a brake test. Nothing OTT and fair enough too.
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08-11-2022, 06:53 PM | #26 | ||
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Had a fleet of 150 taxis, so been through this
While there is an argument for taxis generally speaking as Trev points out there is no data to suggest there is any benefit in the private market Just the VACC seeming to do something and maybe get their argument up with the political climate but doubt it. Buy shares in windscreen companies if this gets up trust me, every taxi every roadworthy pinged for windsceen. At one stage I put a new screen in just to see if it was pinged lol (it wasn't) If it flukes getting up, steam clean is your friend, had one hoist nearly dedicated to that job and leave stuff for them to pick otherwise you force them to look a lot harder |
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08-11-2022, 08:36 PM | #27 | ||
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I’d be screwed, I have 2 au’s a ba and a bf !
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08-11-2022, 09:53 PM | #28 | ||
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Pre 2020 I spent a bit over 31 years as a Queensland copper, so I've attended and investigated a prang or two you might say. I reckon I could count on one hand the number of those crashes that were directly caused by a vehicle defect.
Yes, there were plenty of instances where a crashed car had some rust in it or the tyres were marginal, but those defects weren't actual causal factors. The overwhelming majority of crashes can be directly attributed to old mate (or matette - I think I just invented a new word!) behind the wheel being either incompetent, impatient, inattentive, driving too fast for the conditions, driving under the influence, or a combination of any of the above. I'd be very suspicious of the motivation behind the proposal. A cynical person could surmise that it may be a neat opportunity to appease the the left of the political spectrum by forcing people out of their older cars and into a 'cleaner greener' vehicle. but that wouldn't be it - surely? |
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08-11-2022, 10:11 PM | #29 | ||
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Im not against rego inspections. Basic stuff like bald tyres, yes and basic stuff anyone can tell if something isnt correct.
My car is not the quietest. So i didnt pick up on this, it had blown out the gasket from the mid bit to the up and over rear section. Yeah, that wouldn't kill any sea turtles, but it was pointed out with the car on the lift. |
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08-11-2022, 10:57 PM | #30 | |||
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Annual vehicle checks will help getting these things repaired or thrown off the road. I bet we all see the same old crap boxes getting around our roads. Cheers. |
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