V Facta September 2023

[jpd80]

https://www.drive.com.au/news/vfacts...sales-results/

VFACTS September 2023: Records smashed again as utes fill three of top four spots, Tesla Model Y best-selling passenger vehicle
Deliveries of new cars remained in top gear for the third record month in a row – as vehicles ordered months and years ago finally arrived – however industry analysts say a slowdown is around the corner.

More at link…..

New-car sales in Australia September 2023
Toyota HiLux: 5776, up 11.7 per cent
Ford Ranger: 5429, up 11.0 per cent
Tesla Model Y: 3811, down 12.6 per cent
Isuzu D-Max: 2885, up 48.4 per cent
Toyota RAV4: 2798, up 50.8 per cent
Mitsubishi Outlander: 2612, up 39.0 per cent
MG ZS: 2528, up 154.3 per cent
Toyota Corolla: 2217, up 42.7 per cent
Kia Sportage: 2031, up 14.4 per cent
Ford Everest: 1984, up 147.4 per cent
Toyota Prado: 1976, up 16.4 per cent
Mazda CX-5: 1888, down 22.6 per cent
Nissan X-Trail: 1784, up 259 per cent
Hyundai Tucson: 1678, up 6.3 per cent
Hyundai i30: 1648, down 4.9 per cent


Top-selling car brands in Australia September 2023
Toyota: 20,912, up 40.8 per cent
Mazda: 8031, up 10.6 per cent
Ford: 8015, up 20.8 per cent
Kia: 7303, up 0.2 per cent
Hyundai: 6217, down 4.4 per cent
Mitsubishi: 5761, down 15.1 per cent
MG: 5400, up 65.6 per cent
Tesla: 5177, down 13.3 per cent
Nissan: 4784, up 153.8 per cent
Subaru: 4302, up 35.8 per cent
Volkswagen: 4184, 13.1 per cent
Isuzu Ute: 3932, up 39.5 per cent
Great Wall Motors Haval (GWM): 2897, down 5.0 per cent
BMW: 2354, up 15.8 per cent
Mercedes-Benz Cars: 1702, down 24.0 per cent
LDV: 1665, up 1.5 per cent
Audi: 1625, up 13.6 per cent
Lexus: 1498, up 267.2 per cent
Suzuki: 1467, down 15.2 per cent


New-car sales year-to-date September 2023
Toyota HiLux: 44,301, down 5.1 per cent
Ford Ranger: 43,073, up 34.1 per cent
Tesla Model Y: 23,457, up 336 per cent
MG ZS: 23,152, up 64.6 per cent
Toyota RAV4: 22,388, down 17.5 per cent
Isuzu D-Max: 21,479, up 11.6 per cent
Mitsubishi Outlander: 17,762, up 26.9 per cent
Mazda CX-5: 16,895, down 20.0 per cent
Hyundai i30: 16,492, down 4.2 per cent
Hyundai Tucson: 16,173, up 26.0 per cent
Tesla Model 3: 14,540, up 68.2 per cent
Toyota Corolla: 14,376, down 23.6 per cent
Toyota Prado: 12,825, down 27.2 per cent
Mazda CX-3: 12,239, up 57.3 per cent
Subaru Forester: 12,113, up 60.5 per cent
MG3: 12,085, up 4.1 per cent
Kia Sportage: 11,113, down 18.4 per cent


Top-selling car brands year-to-date September 2023
Toyota: 154,658, down 12.3 per cent
Mazda: 75,820, up 1.8 per cent
Ford: 61,204, up 34.6 per cent
Kia: 59,123, down 1.8 per cent
Hyundai: 56,958, down 2.0 per cent
Mitsubishi: 45,714, down 24.5 per cent
MG: 42,807, up 26.4 per cent
Tesla: 37,997, up 171 per cent
Subaru: 35,063, up 35.1 per cent
Isuzu Ute: 32,341, up 19.1 per cent
Volkswagen: 31,843, up 47.1 per cent
Nissan: 28,694, up 36.7 per cent
Great Wall Motors Haval (GWM): 25,887, up 58.1 per cent
BMW: 19,040, up 4.7 per cent
Mercedes-Benz Cars: 18,490, down 14.2 per cent
LDV: 16,115, up 40.5 per cent
Audi: 13,613, down 29.3 per cent
Suzuki: 13,228, down 21.8 per cent
Lexus: 11,483, up 114.3 per cent

[b0son]

The Model Y is killing it at the moment...

[jpd80]

Ford Everest: 1984, up 147.4 per cent
Toyota Prado: 1976, up 16.4 per cent

4x2 Utes…………………..Toyota HiLux (1046)…….Isuzu D-Max (546)…….Ford Ranger (305)
4x4 Utes < $100k…….Ford Ranger (5124)……Toyota HiLux (4730)…….Isuzu D-Max (2339)
Utes > $100k…………….Ram 1500 (586)……….Silverado 1500 (238)…….Silverado HD (92)


Looks like that extra shipping volume is doing the trick transporting more Rangers and Everest
Everest just pipping Prado in sales………1984 deliveries is an excellent result.

Toyota way out in front again but how close did Ford get to Mazda at No.2, 16 sales

Toyota: 20,912, up 40.8 per cent
Mazda: 8031, up 10.6 per cent
Ford: 8015, up 20.8 per cent


I found Honda………1052 sales and heading for the basement.

[prydey]

Those American ute sales are making a mockery of the those who continually try to tell us they're taking over everywhere...

[kypez]

Originally Posted by b0son

The Model Y is killing it at the moment...

Don't you know, it's just a fad and EVs don't work in Australia!

Almost 40,000 cars sold from a brand with only 2 models in their line up that are Electric no less! Crazy!

[ToryMikey]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Toyota way out in front again but how close did Ford get to Mazda at No.2, 16 sales

Toyota: 20,912, up 40.8 per cent
Mazda: 8031, up 10.6 per cent
Ford: 8015, up 20.8 per cent


I found Honda………1052 sales and heading for the basement.

Not a bad effort when the Ranger Car Company has 2 models and Mazda has a full range with seemingly endless overlapping SUVs.

As for Honda...why would you even consider them with their agency model? It was the height of hubris to introduce it. There's plenty of other Asian blandmobile options.

[XR Martin]

Everest sales are massive, I remember the previous model was around 500 for a long time.
I wonder if these sales could justify them doing a Raptor version.

[bangm001]

Far out so many big cars there! I thought a reason ford and gm closed up shop here was because people in OZ want smaller cars!

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by bangm001

Far out so many big cars there! I thought a reason ford and gm closed up shop here was because people in OZ want smaller cars!

More so they stopped buying large sedans which is what Holden and Ford here built and small cars are built cheaper overseas....

Still think there is room for Ford Aust to offer a CX-9/90/8/80/Kluger/Sorrento/Sante Fe et al..competitor, as I really don't want an Everest as an eventual replacement for our Territory...mind you a CX-60 looks good although a few times it's ride has been criticised which can never be said of Ford products.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

Everest sales are massive, I remember the previous model was around 500 for a long time.
I wonder if these sales could justify them doing a Raptor version.

With the announcement of the Ranger hybrid, I thought a hybrid Everest would be an interesting buy-in to the hybrid market.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

With the announcement of the Ranger hybrid, I thought a hybrid Everest would be an interesting buy-in to the hybrid market.

I wondered the same thing and found it odd that we have heard nothing of an Everest hybrid. I'm sure it'll come but weird that Ford would spend first on a market segment that would need a lot of convincing vs a segment that would be more open to hybrids.

[Sprintey]

Tesla Model Y result YTD is amazing, coming from nowhere to market dominance.

Also interesting is MG ZS outselling RAV4 ytd. Although you might think Aussies love cheap and cheerful and the cheaper the more cheerful, Toyota could fall on their katana if this keeps up in the segment

Both of those winners made in China I think too - here comes the volume shift. EV shift is taking place in force now.

Overseas there's news of EU/Germany trying to protect their EV industry from Chinese competition and prolong ICE, will the German industry head the way of our one?

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

More so they stopped buying large sedans which is what Holden and Ford here built and small cars are built cheaper overseas....

Still think there is room for Ford Aust to offer a CX-9/90/8/80/Kluger/Sorrento/Sante Fe et al..competitor, as I really don't want an Everest as an eventual replacement for our Territory...mind you a CX-60 looks good although a few times it's ride has been criticised which can never be said of Ford products.

Agree. The CX-60 base turbo petrol I6 has the ingredients to be the best Terry replacement and maybe sweet spot in the range, have noticed the ride reports, hopefully they tune it.

[DFB FGXR6]

Ford Numbers -

Ford Escape 163
Ford Everest 1,984
Ford Fiesta 0
Ford Focus 0
Ford Mustang 24
Ford Puma 198
Ford Ranger 4X2 305
Ford Ranger 4X4 5,124
Ford Transit Bus 0
Ford Transit Custom 158
Ford Transit Heavy 59
Ford Total 8,015

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

Agree. The CX-60 base turbo petrol I6 has the ingredients to be the best Terry replacement and maybe sweet spot in the range, have noticed the ride reports, hopefully they tune it.

I’m less enthusiastic about the I-6 design after I found out that the cam timing chain is on the rear of the engine…

https://www.whichcar.com.au/car-advi...ing-a-comeback

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Ford Numbers -

Ford Escape 163
Ford Everest 1,984
Ford Fiesta 0
Ford Focus 0
Ford Mustang 24
Ford Puma 198
Ford Ranger 4X2 305
Ford Ranger 4X4 5,124
Ford Transit Bus 0
Ford Transit Custom 158
Ford Transit Heavy 59
Ford Total 8,015

thanks for the details.

I sure would love to see some of those US vehicles here like Maverick and Bronco Sport
but without factory RHD support, there’s little point in importing and converting locally.
The cost would be prohibitive versus the competition in that segment.

Also wondering what impact F150 sales will have, the +$100k price will def slow interest
but maybe the 3.5 V6 Ecoboost presents a more compelling case vs large capacity V8

[Franco Cozzo]

I hate SUVs but I get a chubby for the Ford Explorer and Chevrolet Suburban - we should have the Explorer in our market I reckon since we have a fetish for SUVs.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I hate SUVs but I get a chubby for the Ford Explorer and Chevrolet Suburban - we should have the Explorer in our market I reckon since we have a fetish for SUVs.

A case of Ford US saying UK don't want an Explorer so we'll make a RHD Edge/Endura with 5 seat version but charge 7 seater competitor money and give it to Australia as well and then use a low powered diesel.
Another situation of our vehicle tastes aligning more with US buyers than Euro buyers but not getting the vehicles to suit.

Have a look at the latest Chinese market Ford Explorer.
https://www.motor1.com/photo/6781926...d-explorer-cn/

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I’m less enthusiastic about the I-6 design after I found out that the cam timing chain is on the rear of the engine…

https://www.whichcar.com.au/car-advi...ing-a-comeback

Why on earth would they put it there?

[Smoke Pursuit]

Excellent month for Everest. Was at my local dealer today and they were full to the brim with new ranger / Everest waiting for delivery. I honestly don't remember the place ever being so packed but this is the problem with relying on boats. Was a bit difference in the Falcon days when cars would come weekly by road then sit in the dealership for weeks / months before sale.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Excellent month for Everest. Was at my local dealer today and they were full to the brim with new ranger / Everest waiting for delivery. I honestly don't remember the place ever being so packed but this is the problem with relying on boats. Was a bit difference in the Falcon days when cars would come weekly by road then sit in the dealership for weeks / months before sale.

The difference is that everything now is basically sold long before arrival,
curious to see how quickly Ford reduces wait times on Ranger and Everest.
A 6-9 month wait on those vehicles is ridiculous, even 3 months is bad.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

Why on earth would they put it there?

Like ye olde Ford Explorer V6 and Audi V8

I'm blaming methamphetamines

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by kypez

I wondered the same thing and found it odd that we have heard nothing of an Everest hybrid. I'm sure it'll come but weird that Ford would spend first on a market segment that would need a lot of convincing vs a segment that would be more open to hybrids.

the business driver for a Ranger hybrid is Europe, not Australia. Since we don't sell Everest in Europe, I don't think there will be a hybrid any time soon. Especially as they have just gutted the development team :(

[kypez]

Originally Posted by simon varley

the business driver for a Ranger hybrid is Europe, not Australia. Since we don't sell Everest in Europe, I don't think there will be a hybrid any time soon. Especially as they have just gutted the development team :(

I hadn't thought of that at all! Makes perfect sense now.

Shame really though about the development team and its implications. These platforms are on borrowed time before Ford retires them for EV based platforms.

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I’m less enthusiastic about the I-6 design after I found out that the cam timing chain is on the rear of the engine…

https://www.whichcar.com.au/car-advi...ing-a-comeback

Do you plan to keep it for 20 years? Or even 10?
I'm sure it will last as long as it needs to and be end up being just a footnote in the history of the automobile.
Just about everything nowadays is an appliance and is not worth keeping beyond the warranty period.
Polestar salesman told me electric cars will last longer and be more reliable than a IC car. I told him I still regularly drive a 35 year old Mazda and does he think the Polestar would last that long? He changed the subject

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by bangm001

Far out so many big cars there! I thought a reason ford and gm closed up shop here was because people in OZ want smaller cars!

We are opening old wounds here, but I think this is a myth.

Ford & Holden closed down for different reasons.

Yes, large car sales were falling, but the Commodore was always at or near the top of the sales charts until the day the Elizabeth factory closed it doors.

Ford had no exports & the Falcon wasn't selling as well as the Commodore, but they were still selling well compared to some car volumes these days. With Falcon only Ford Aust's volume was too low given our high wages & Govt charges. It just wasn't viable. The GFC in 2008 resulted in little support from Ford US.

The GFC saw Holden's parent company (GM US) empty their cash reserves & rip their (very profitable) exports off them, loosing huge volumes. Even with Commodore selling well locally they now had no money to develop a new model. This left them with no future given the same lousy business environment as Ford was forced into.

It was very sad to see the end of our industry, but there were too many factors against it. Falling sales of large cars was only one minor factor.

Dr Terry

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Dr Terry

We are opening old wounds here, but I think this is a myth.

Ford & Holden closed down for different reasons.

Yes, large car sales were falling, but the Commodore was always at or near the top of the sales charts until the day the Elizabeth factory closed it doors.

Ford had no exports & the Falcon wasn't selling as well as the Commodore, but they were still selling well compared to some car volumes these days. With Falcon only Ford Aust's volume was too low given our high wages & Govt charges. It just wasn't viable. The GFC in 2008 resulted in little support from Ford US.

The GFC saw Holden's parent company (GM US) empty their cash reserves & rip their (very profitable) exports off them, loosing huge volumes. Even with Commodore selling well locally they now had no money to develop a new model. This left them with no future given the same lousy business environment as Ford was forced into.

It was very sad to see the end of our industry, but there were too many factors against it. Falling sales of large cars was only one minor factor.

Dr Terry

If large car sales is a minor factor how come there are no large car sales in the top 10 today. Yes parent company support is the biggest factor however unless a ute was going to be built in Australia and exported no brand of the local 3 would have survived here regardless.....at best a delayed shutdown.

[buggerlugs]

Mustang 24. Why even bother...........

[prydey]

The idea that Australia wanted small cars was generated by the media to try to explain the shift away from the local pair of falcon and commodore.

The truth was, they weren't being bought because they lacked versatility. They were expensive as just transport and small cars did the job cheaper. Smaller cars were actually similar in size to what falcon and commodore used to be. Suv's became popular for their better ingress/egress. Dual cabs became popular for their ability to multi task.

Owning a large car that only really serves as a people mover stopped making sense and the trend continues today. Large sedans are history.

[Franco Cozzo]

Large sedans still exist, they're just niche market with niche market pricing - Mercedes S Class and BMW 7 Series.

Get out the wallet large sedan fans, $200K+ to look like Scomo.

Maybe in my next life