VFacts November 2023

[jpd80]

https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/vfa...ales-australia

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...ecord-in-sight


1. Ford Ranger: 6301
2. Toyota HiLux: 5901
3. Isuzu D-Max: 3692
4. Tesla Model Y: 3151
5. Toyota Prado: 3090
6. Toyota RAV4: 2449
7. Mitsubishi Outlander: 2381
8. Mazda CX-5: 2256
9. MG ZS: 2047
10. Toyota Corolla: 1976
11. Hyundai Tucson: 1899
12. Mitsubishi Triton: 1687
13. Hyundai i30: 1,566
Kia Sportage: 1,559
14. Mazda BT-50: 1511
15. Subaru Forester: 1470
16. Toyota Landcruiser Wagon: 1458
17. Ford Everest: 1389
18. Nissan X-Trail: 1361
19. Hyundai Kona: 1332
20. Toyota Camry: 1214
21. MG 3: 1205
22. Mazda CX-3: 1200
23. Isuzu Ute MU-X: 1161
24. Nissan Navara: 1125


Segments

* Micro Cars:
Kia Picanto (555), Fiat 500 (51)

* Light Cars under $30,000:
MG 3 (1205), Suzuki Swift (659), Mazda 2 (491)

* Light Cars over $30,000:
Mini (165), Skoda Fabia (47), Audi A1 (43)

* Small Cars under $40,000:
Toyota Corolla (1976), Hyundai i30 (1566), Kia Cerato (782)

* Small Cars over $40,000:
MG 4 (835), Audi A3 (397), Volkswagen Golf (351)

* Medium Cars under $60,000:
Toyota Camry (1214), Mazda 6 (137), Skoda Octavia (95)

* Medium Cars over $60,000:
Tesla Model 3 (788), BMW 3 Series (292), Lexus ES (138)

* Large Cars under $70,000:
Skoda Superb (14), Kia Stinger (8), Citroen C5 X (3)

* Large Cars over $70,000:
BMW 5 Series (76), Porsche Taycan (56), * Mercedes-Benz E-Class (34)

* Upper Large Cars:
BMW 7 Series/i7 (12), Mercedes-Benz S-Class (7), Mercedes-Benz EQS (6)

* People Movers:
Kia Carnival (665), Hyundai Staria (72), Mercedes-Benz V-Class (62)

* Sports Cars under $80,000:
BMW 2 Series (171), Toyota GR86 (117), Subaru BRZ (95)

* Sports Cars over $80,000:
BMW 4 Series (69), Mercedes-Benz C-Class (45), Chevrolet Corvette (37)

* Sports Cars over $200,000:
Porsche 911 (51), Ferrari range (18), Lamborghini 2-door range (17)

* Light SUVs:
Mazda CX-3 (1200), Toyota Yaris Cross (893), Hyundai Venue (575)

* Small SUVs under $45,000:
MG ZS (2047), Hyundai Kona (1332), Mazda CX-30 (1081)

* Small SUVs over $45,000:
BMW X1 (758), Audi Q3 (423), Volvo XC40 (419)

* Medium SUVs under $60,000:
Toyota RAV4 (2449), Mitsubishi Outlander (2381), Mazda CX-5 (2256)

* Medium SUVs over $60,000:
Tesla Model Y (3151), Lexus NX (661), Mazda CX-60 (456)

* Large SUVs under $70,000:
Toyota Prado (3090), Ford Everest (1389), Isuzu MU-X (1161)

* Large SUVs over $70,000:
Land Rover Defender (368), BMW X5 (330), Mercedes-Benz GLE (264)

* Upper Large SUVs under $120,000:
Toyota LandCruiser (1458), Nissan Patrol (941), Kia EV9 (98)

* Upper Large SUVs over $120,000:
BMW X7 (97), Lexus LX (59), Mercedes-Benz G-Class (47)

* Light Vans:
Volkswagen Caddy (63), Peugeot Partner (30)

* Medium Vans:
Toyota HiAce (650), LDV G10 (287), Hyundai Staria Load (198)

* Large Vans:
Mercedes-Benz Sprinter (363), LDV Deliver 9 (315), Renault Master (158)

* Light Buses:
Toyota HiAce (171), LDV Deliver 9 (42), Toyota Coaster (26)

* 4×2 Utes:
Toyota HiLux (1058), Isuzu D-Max (659), Mitsubishi Triton (355), Ranger (301)

* 4×4 Utes:
Ford Ranger (6000), Toyota HiLux (4843), Isuzu D-Max (3033), Mitsubishi Triton (1,332)

* Utes above $100,000:
Ram 1500 (309), Chevrolet Silverado 1500 (262), Chevrolet Silverado HD (78)

Miscellaneous

EV-specific model top-sellers*:

1. Tesla Model Y: 3151
2. MG 4: 835
3. Tesla Model 3: 788
4. BYD Atto 3: 668
5. BYD Dolphin: 589
6. Kia EV6: 212
7. Polestar 2: 191
8. Mercedes-Benz EQA: 169
9. Cupra Born: 103
10. Hyundai Ioniq 6: 98
11. Kia EV9: 98
12. BMW i4: 93
13. Hyundai Ioniq 5: 88
14. GWM Ora: 69
15. Porsche Taycan: 56

[DFB FGXR6]

Ford are chipping away at 2nd position now.

Toyota 21,002 +4.5%
Mazda 8707 +15.3%
Ford 8165 +14.0%
Hyundai 6718 +21.7%
Mitsubishi 6268 +12.8%
Kia 5767 -5.8%
MG 5603 +1.9%
Isuzu Ute 4853 +73.4%
Nissan 4268 +148.9%
Volkswagen 4004 +31.5%

Ford Numbers -

Ford Escape – 104
Ford Everest – 1389
Ford F-150 – 32
Ford Fiesta – 0
Ford Focus – 0
Ford Mustang – 9
Ford Mustang Mach-E – 1
Ford Puma – 169
Ford Ranger 4x2 – 301
Ford Ranger 4x4 – 6000
Ford Transit Bus – 0
Ford Transit Custom – 147
Ford Transit Heavy – 13
Ford Total – 8165

[kevino]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Ford are chipping away at 2nd position now.

Toyota 21,002 +4.5%
Mazda 8707 +15.3%
Ford 8165 +14.0%
Hyundai 6718 +21.7%
Mitsubishi 6268 +12.8%
Kia 5767 -5.8%
MG 5603 +1.9%
Isuzu Ute 4853 +73.4%
Nissan 4268 +148.9%
Volkswagen 4004 +31.5%



Ford Numbers -

Ford Escape – 104
Ford Everest – 1389
Ford F-150 – 32
Ford Fiesta – 0
Ford Focus – 0
Ford Mustang – 9
Ford Mustang Mach-E – 1
Ford Puma – 169
Ford Ranger 4x2 – 301
Ford Ranger 4x4 – 6000
Ford Transit Bus – 0
Ford Transit Custom – 147
Ford Transit Heavy – 13
Ford Total – 8165

Ford Puma 169
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Skoda Kamiq 247
Skoda Scala 169

Is Ford Aus still not getting stock of Puma from Ford Europe?
Mazda cx3 outdated fuel guzzler sold 1200

What gives?

[Ben73]

Can’t believe mustang numbers are so low now. I knew they would slow down once all the enthusiasts got what they wanted, but 9 is lower that I expected

[XR Martin]

How many F150s are we expecting per month? 300 odd?

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Can’t believe mustang numbers are so low now. I knew they would slow down once all the enthusiasts got what they wanted, but 9 is lower that I expected

That's not the case here, demand is still exceeding supply. It's funny, a LOT of people were saying that from the moment the S550 went on sale in Australia, that it would be a fad that would fade very quickly. Except that didn't really happen. The last of those S550's, customers would have waited at least 12 months for their car.

The problem at the moment is all S550 production stopped many months ago, any sales from then are simply remaining floor stock or fulfilled orders. No new Mustangs are due till export production of the S650 starts in January next year. S650's were initially expected to be here by now, but delay after delay has pushed that out to next year. I am one of those waiting for my car to be built.

As usual for Ford, one of the oldest car companies in the world has big problems rolling out new models.

[turbo4]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

How many F150s are we expecting per month? 300 odd?

I'd guess about 2-300. Would have to be fairly similar to the Silverado, based on price. Would lean towards the 300, just because of the popularity and icon status of the F150

[jpd80]

An article I saw last month (27-11-23) was saying that around 20 F Trucks a day were being remanufactured.
I was surprised thought that there would be about 300 delivered…must have been ramping up production..


https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...-didnt-change#

The 21,000 square-metre facility is currently in its ramp-up phase and once it’s fully operational it will be able to remanufacture up to 20 Ford F-150s per day from left- to right-hand drive.

Each vehicle currently takes around 22 hours over three working days to remanufacture from left- to right-hand drive.

As part of the remanufacturing process around 500 parts are installed or modified, including components for the steering, climate control, lighting systems, as well as the instrument panel.

[Franco Cozzo]

22 hours is seriously impressive - thats nothing, compared to what all the old second stage manufacturers used to take.

[naddis01]

Originally Posted by kevino

What gives?

The way it looks.

[kevino]

Originally Posted by naddis01

The way it looks.

Women love it
Women are the decision makers in that small suv segment

So no it’s not looks

[Syndrome]

Damn quote function not working again!

1. Ford Ranger: 6301
2. Toyota HiLux: 5901
3. Isuzu D-Max: 3692
4. Tesla Model Y: 3151
5. Toyota Prado: 3090
6. Toyota RAV4: 2449
7. Mitsubishi Outlander: 2381
8. Mazda CX-5: 2256
9. MG ZS: 2047
10. Toyota Corolla: 1976
11. Hyundai Tucson: 1899
12. Mitsubishi Triton: 1687
13. Hyundai i30: 1,566
Kia Sportage: 1,559
14. Mazda BT-50: 1511
15. Subaru Forester: 1470
16. Toyota Landcruiser Wagon: 1458
17. Ford Everest: 1389
18. Nissan X-Trail: 1361
19. Hyundai Kona: 1332
20. Toyota Camry: 1214
21. MG 3: 1205
22. Mazda CX-3: 1200
23. Isuzu Ute MU-X: 1161
24. Nissan Navara: 1125

There is not one car in the list that I would buy to replace my FG X.

[XR Martin]

Amazing how many Prados they're delivering at the moment.
For a long time they were capped around 1000 month, but recently jumped to 3000.
They must be pulling them from other markets, I know they were popular in Russia.

[Franco Cozzo]

Momentum is gathering in the political circles over everyone having a fetish for a Thailand Special, an American ute and SUVs, with people pushing for mandatory fuel efficiency standards. The kind of people who take the tram to work.

I think its going to be hilarious when the F150 starts pumping more numbers than the lowest cost model in Ford's range (Puma).

Originally Posted by Syndrome

Damn quote function not working again!

1. Ford Ranger: 6301
2. Toyota HiLux: 5901
3. Isuzu D-Max: 3692
4. Tesla Model Y: 3151
5. Toyota Prado: 3090
6. Toyota RAV4: 2449
7. Mitsubishi Outlander: 2381
8. Mazda CX-5: 2256
9. MG ZS: 2047
10. Toyota Corolla: 1976
11. Hyundai Tucson: 1899
12. Mitsubishi Triton: 1687
13. Hyundai i30: 1,566
Kia Sportage: 1,559
14. Mazda BT-50: 1511
15. Subaru Forester: 1470
16. Toyota Landcruiser Wagon: 1458
17. Ford Everest: 1389
18. Nissan X-Trail: 1361
19. Hyundai Kona: 1332
20. Toyota Camry: 1214
21. MG 3: 1205
22. Mazda CX-3: 1200
23. Isuzu Ute MU-X: 1161
24. Nissan Navara: 1125

There is not one car in the list that I would buy to replace my FG X.

Cars died in 2017 when the VFII Commodore stopped being made, the only new cars I like is the 'Hilux Champ' which isn't coming to Australia, Suzuki Carry which is a grey import and the Tesla Model 3/Cupra Born.

[roKWiz]

Can't believe kypez bought that lonely E Mustang.

[kevino]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Momentum is gathering in the political circles over everyone having a fetish for a Thailand Special, an American ute and SUVs, with people pushing for mandatory fuel efficiency standards. The kind of people who take the tram to work.

I think its going to be hilarious when the F150 starts pumping more numbers than the lowest cost model in Ford's range (Puma).



Cars died in 2017 when the VFII Commodore stopped being made, the only new cars I like is the 'Hilux Champ' which isn't coming to Australia, Suzuki Carry which is a grey import and the Tesla Model 3/Cupra Born.

At least you didnt nominate the GWM Ora.
If you unplug while charging before you turn the power off you could be electrocuted and die.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

Amazing how many Prados they're delivering at the moment.
For a long time they were capped around 1000 month, but recently jumped to 3000.
They must be pulling them from other markets, I know they were popular in Russia.

yep Prado is smoking obviously stock arrived but they keep on keeping on no matter how fugly they are still the mid to large SUV/4x4 king.
Amazes me Ford just can't gain better consumer sales with Everest let alone Escape in both these sectors that sales are strong for other brands.

IF and when Hyundai release a dual cab it won't be Ford sneaking to 2nd it will be them no doubt about it imo with their range.
Mazda is impressive tbh still as well.

[Rob 351]

RAM 372 and down 47%.
With F150 out there now, I guess the once dominant Ram now how has a lot of competition with Chevrolet and Ford.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Rob 351

RAM 372 and down 47%.
With F150 out there now, I guess the once dominant Ram now how has a lot of competition with Chevrolet and Ford.

Toyota Tundra will be arriving to our market soon as well, there's going to be a lot of competition in the American ute space

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Cars died in 2017 when the VFII Commodore stopped being made,

Originally Posted by Syndrome

There is not one car in the list that I would buy to replace my FG X.

Welcome to a small insignificant minority...

The market decides. Check the sales of large sedans. No one wants them even though other manufacturers try.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by prydey

Welcome to a small insignificant minority...

The market decides. Check the sales of large sedans. No one wants them even though other manufacturers try.

It's not a free market though, otherwise you wouldn't have incentives pushing people to buy certain things.

But I don't mind being in the minority, it just means everyone else is wrong

[anobserver]

Channeling my inner anorak, noted that Mr I'm-triggered-by-size fetish was filmed riding a bicycle without a helmet.

That merits a stoning with life-expired falafels, surely.

[anobserver]

Channeling my inner anorak, noted that Mr I'm-triggered-by-size fetish was filmed riding a bicycle without a helmet.

That merits a stoning with life-expired falafels, surely. He could try pleading ignorance and put an f150 on afterpay.

Unless he's in Victoria, in which case even the shrine of remembrance wont save him.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

It's not a free market though, otherwise you wouldn't have incentives pushing people to buy certain things.

But I don't mind being in the minority, it just means everyone else is wrong

I don't think anyone buys a 'type' of car they don't want.

Incentives don't alter the market demand for vehicle type.

Manufacturers aren't in control, as much as you might like to think they are forcing people to buy vehicles they don't want. They might bring products to market which have a honeymoon phase but long term, the trends do stabilise.

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by prydey

The market decides. Check the sales of large sedans. No one wants them even though other manufacturers try.

SUVs have effectively replaced the large Commodore / Falcon sized car.

Having said that, the VF Commodore was still a 'top 3' seller in it last year on the market.

I don't believe that a Kia Stinger, Skoda Superb or Citroen C5 is a good substitute for a VF Commodore.

Dr Terry

[roKWiz]

and yet Tesla don't seem to have any problems selling the large sedans.

Noted around $ydney, the Cupra seems to be the Uber choice vehicle.

[GT1533]

Originally Posted by prydey

Incentives don't alter the market demand for vehicle type.

I don’t agree. The incentive of FBT rules on Thai specials (and non-enforcement by the ATO) has created huge distortion in the market.


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[Wretched]

Originally Posted by GT1533

I don’t agree. The incentive of FBT rules on Thai specials (and non-enforcement by the ATO) has created huge distortion in the market.


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I'd love to see those rules tightened up and enforced. The impact would be very interesting.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by GT1533

I don’t agree. The incentive of FBT rules on Thai specials (and non-enforcement by the ATO) has created huge distortion in the market.


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That 7:30 Report I linked to mentioned exactly that, the sales of Thailand Specials skyrocketed not long after their introduction.

The Australian tax payer subsidized Thailand's manufacturing industry at the cost of our own, great work.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

An article I saw last month (27-11-23) was saying that around 20 F Trucks a day were being remanufactured.
I was surprised thought that there would be about 300 delivered…must have been ramping up production..


https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...-didnt-change#

I've only seen one in the yard of a local dealer, bayside Melb. and that was last week.