BMW unveils a new twin turbo in-line 6 cylinder engine!

Falcon Freak · 21-02-2006, 08:24 PM

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Awesome. The first production turbo-charged BMW petrol engine in 20 years.

Now if only BMW could get a new styling team.....

FF

XR Martin · 21-02-2006, 08:38 PM

Not true on the 20years, they've had Turbo Diesel for a while....

crusher · 21-02-2006, 08:40 PM

Jeez that sounds pretty bloody good ay. Dont mind the Beamers. Even if they are waaaaaaaaaay out of my price league.

10 years time that the donk that gonna be used in many retrotech cars. eg Z cars. instead of RB..det itll be that thing.

M14A-Mclaren · 21-02-2006, 08:44 PM

Hopefully we'll see Jeremy Clarkson thrash it somewhere. I don't mind the BMW's either, the drivers are usually tossers though which is a shame cause they're good cars.

nb_351 · 21-02-2006, 08:48 PM

i think we have to worry about being the benchmark turbo 6 cyl sedan with the ba/bf... although it wont be as common, it will be in another league...
thats true about it being a transplant of the future...

SSBUB · 21-02-2006, 10:31 PM

im a fan of beamers too...my inlaws have an M3....its sooo nice and sooo fast...i am so gonna marry into that family

scotty_d · 21-02-2006, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Not true on the 20years, they've had Turbo Diesel for a while....

That's why it's the first petrol turbo.

XR Martin · 22-02-2006, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by scotty_d

That's why it's the first petrol turbo.

It didnt say petrol when I replied

Simmo · 22-02-2006, 08:05 AM

i heard about this a little while back and now its finally out the numbers look great. im sure there will be much more than 225kw when they tune it up for the m3. twin turbo inline six is my favourite engine configuration.

scotty_d · 22-02-2006, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

It didnt say petrol when I replied

I'm sorry, but how the hell was I supposed to know that. I was just trying to let you know there are differences between petrol and deisel engines. I didn't think you could edit a post after 10 minutes anyway seeing as Falcon Freak posted at 8:24p.m and you posted 14 minutes later.

Anyway I guess I'm just trying to apolagise for not being able to go back in time and read unedited posts.

XRated · 22-02-2006, 11:20 AM

Mmmm mmmmmmm

An INLINE 6 TWIN turbo, what more could one ask for?? "Ford....."

merlin · 22-02-2006, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by XRated

Mmmm mmmmmmm

An INLINE 6 TWIN turbo, what more could one ask for?? "Ford....."

A single 6 cyl turbo??? Less complex, just as big numbers, no lag on 4L six. What advantage does the twin setup have?

Simmo · 22-02-2006, 12:03 PM

well twin turbos can be setup a few ways. 2 smaller units to provide little to no lag on smaller engines. can also have 1 small and 1 large so the small one kicks in some boost from down low and when it runs out of puff the second one should be done spooling and can start cranking in the boost. or you can just run 2 huge units for heaps of lag but massive boost.

LG · 22-02-2006, 12:17 PM

I'm pretty sure i saw one yesterday. Bridge Rd. Rusty/Yellow M3 Convertible, with a shiny chrome intercooler on the front. And boy did this girl chirp the wheels or what!

Simmo · 22-02-2006, 12:43 PM

i didnt think theyd be here if they only just unveiled the engine?? i know there are turbo kits for the I6 beemers thought. it would need a fair size intercooler since the comp ratio on M3s is about 12-13:1. cant stuff much boost in there.

LG · 22-02-2006, 01:05 PM

It must of been aftermarket turbo kit. But god daim, that intercooler looked so hot! And so was the chick driving it.

act2617 · 22-02-2006, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by merlin

A single 6 cyl turbo??? Less complex, just as big numbers, no lag on 4L six. What advantage does the twin setup have?

The biturbo six employs new technologies such as two low-inertia turbos feeding a trio of cylinders each to "eliminate" turbo lag.

The huffed six offers even more torque than BMW's base V8 (which produces 390Nm), with a "Table Mountain-like" curve that peaks between just 1500rpm and 5800rpm. That's 15 per cent more power than the 130i and 30 per cent more torque. Redline is a lofty 7000rpm.

Dilan · 22-02-2006, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Simmo

im sure there will be much more than 225kw when they tune it up for the m3. twin turbo inline six is my favourite engine configuration.

The next m3 will be a V8 (derived from the V10 daddy) not a twin turbo. I doubt ///M cars would ever deviate from the n/a route.

Simmo · 22-02-2006, 05:15 PM

thats good then i spose. i really like heavily engineered NA donks with big redlines. also to see that turbo engine in a 1 series would be so awesome. have really like the 1 series ever since they came out. the 130i and m sport models just sealed the deal. now for another M1 [even though they wont cos of the old car] with that engine on some great suspension and get rid of that speed sensitive steering rack and youve got a cult pocket rocket.

MeestaNob! · 22-02-2006, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by XRated

Mmmm mmmmmmm

An INLINE 6 TWIN turbo, what more could one ask for?? "Ford....."

GT -> GTHO
TYPHOON -> SUPER TYPHOON!

It's time to go... GT-P.....

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merlin · 22-02-2006, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Simmo

well twin turbos can be setup a few ways. 2 smaller units to provide little to no lag on smaller engines. can also have 1 small and 1 large so the small one kicks in some boost from down low and when it runs out of puff the second one should be done spooling and can start cranking in the boost. or you can just run 2 huge units for heaps of lag but massive boost.

But the Subaru B4 was an abysmal failure due to massive lag and that had twin turbos. I still fail to see any advantage to twin turbos. Just about all seriously modded GTR skylines ditch the twin turbos for a large single unit.

Simmo · 22-02-2006, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by merlin

But the Subaru B4 was an abysmal failure due to massive lag and that had twin turbos. I still fail to see any advantage to twin turbos. Just about all seriously modded GTR skylines ditch the twin turbos for a large single unit.

for true driveability on a stock car, they use TT. for big numbers and wheelspin in 4th they use 1 big one. its their first turbo car in 20 years and they have the golf and others to compete with that claim bugger all turbo lag. bmw will want to pump out a car thats just solid all through the revs. turbo lag is lame and thats why bmw are using twins to sort that out.

Steffo · 22-02-2006, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by merlin

But the Subaru B4 was an abysmal failure due to massive lag and that had twin turbos. I still fail to see any advantage to twin turbos. Just about all seriously modded GTR skylines ditch the twin turbos for a large single unit.

Ask Porsche why twin turbo systems work well. Just look at the 911 Turbo, 911 GT2, 911 GT1, 962 LeMans...

Perana · 22-02-2006, 06:26 PM

Twin Turbos arent necessarily "better" on all enignes... there are some where they work better than a bigger single ( ask renault about their RS1 F1 engine! ) and some engines where a big single is better..

XR8 Uterous · 22-02-2006, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

Ask Porsche why twin turbo systems work well. Just look at the 911 Turbo, 911 GT2, 911 GT1, 962 LeMans...

The Porsche engineers are awesome and could make any twin turbo, single turbo, N/A engine work better than just "well".

Bossxr8 · 24-02-2006, 02:53 PM

I was quite dissapointed with the numbers. With twin turbos and direct injection it only makes 30kw more than the 195kw 6 in the 130i. Torques up to 400 from around the low 300's, but it seems like a whole lot of extra effort and production costs for very little gain. The XR6 Turbo has an extra 55kw from the stock 190 engine with only one turbo and wiothout direct injection.

Iphido · 24-02-2006, 04:11 PM

The perfect Ford competitor would be a turbo charged Fairmont Ghia. But according to Ford theres no possible market for such a vechical.

While another option for 3 and 5 series, I think the real rocket would be the 1 series with it.. Given with 195kw it already has 0-100 in six flat.

4.9 EF Futura · 24-02-2006, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Freak

Now if only BMW could get a new styling team.....

Not everyone's cup of tea hey... but i actually really really really really like the new BMW styles.

I really like em

Bossxr8 · 24-02-2006, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Iphido

The perfect Ford competitor would be a turbo charged Fairmont Ghia. But according to Ford theres no possible market for such a vechical.

While another option for 3 and 5 series, I think the real rocket would be the 1 series with it.. Given with 195kw it already has 0-100 in six flat.

Let it go dude, there is no market for it. For that price you could just about buy an F6. Sales numbers wouldn't justify it. It can only work on the Territory as there is no other model with turbo in the current Territory range.

Iphido · 24-02-2006, 10:41 PM

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Sales numbers wouldn't justify it. It can only work on the Territory as there is no other model with turbo in the current Territory range.

The Ford Territory Turbo
The Ford Fairmont Ghia Turbo

I don't understand what you are saying. There are two turbo territories. Using your logic then there should be two turbo falcons. Falcons still currently outsell Territories, if anything there should be more volume there.

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"Territory Turbo and Territory Ghia Turbo build on the many fine attributes inherent in the original Territory and then adds additional performance," said Ford Australia President Tom Gorman.

If there are two Turbo territories, why can't there be two turbo Falcons?
The regular Turbo Territory equates to a XR6 Turbo and the Ghia is the special luxury version.

I honestly can't see any reason why Ford wouldn't release a special Fairmont Ghia turbo with a special colour interior (perhaps black) and a few other tid bits combined with 18" wheels. Gawd knows the V8 Ghia is really going to struggle against the 30Kw more powerful 6.0L Calais.

Would be a decent market, for people who want something a bit more special, but don't want the fugly LWB cars and have promised themselves never to buy a 4wd.

I would hazzard a guess and say it would be the sort of car the would entice more euro type buyers. Given that XR6T standard fair is pretty dam sparce and XR image may be a bit too bogan for them.

But hey, Ford offically told me there would never be a Ghia turbo of any sorts so I guess thats that.