Mitsubishi acts to remedy 380 botch

act2617 · 27-04-2006, 07:23 AM

http://www.theage.com.au/news/busine...861419618.html

WASP · 27-04-2006, 09:09 AM

I'm SA based and hope the relaunch helps, but one of the hardest things to do in advertising is change market perception, buyer trends and habits. It's a big ask and the cynic in me thinks they (Mitsi) could be flogging a dead horse. They really need to come to market (again) with clear point of difference that buyers can emotionally relate to. For example the 380 could deliver the traditional large car buyers what they ultimately desire in today’s market i.e. 4 cyl fuel economy, big power, rear wheel drive and smart looks and a great range of buyer options to further customise their vehicle. Don't ask for much do we...lol

brenx · 27-04-2006, 09:19 AM

When will they learn. Nobody wants a big car thats front wheel drive! Make it rwd and sales will increase ;)

fwd is for small car shopping trolleys.

buickman · 27-04-2006, 09:59 AM

You a right with that Australian large car buyers prefer RWD & as we a not a country that has a lot of snow conditions for a to 6 months of the year I cannot see any reason for buying a large FWD car here. I think Mitsibishi would have to do a major overhaul of their image with the larger family cars to get buyers in.
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Iphido · 27-04-2006, 10:29 AM

Surely what they need to do is licence either the Charger or 300c and make em here! With the Austrian plant at near capacity, charger or 300c right on the money design wise.

Mitsubishi was real close to getting it right with the previous series (before the french bug eye look). Sharp if slightly tired looks. AWD. A high performance model (way too expensive tho). If they had fixed the resale and discounting problem they would have had a hit.

Mitsubishi should have a 4 cylinder 2.4 FWD and a 3.8L AWD model. But thats now impossible.

I honestly think Mitsubishi is in a corner now they can't get out of. Maybe they will sell the factory back to Chrysler.

**Polyal** · 27-04-2006, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by brenx

When will they learn. Nobody wants a big car thats front wheel drive! Make it rwd and sales will increase ;)

fwd is for small car shopping trolleys.

Now everyone says this but is it really true? Performance cars yes I see your point, but from what I understand its the XT's and the Futura's that are the bulk of the sales. Do you really think these people know/care if its FWD or RWD, V6 or I6?

xr8ute · 27-04-2006, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Iphido

Surely what they need to do is licence either the Charger or 300c and make em here!

Amen to that.. :Reverend:

XA-Coupe · 27-04-2006, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Now everyone says this but is it really true? Performance cars yes I see your point, but from what I understand its the XT's and the Futura's that are the bulk of the sales. Do you really think these people know/care if its FWD or RWD, V6 or I6?

why do most people buy holdens?? "because they are better" Every time I have asked why or how, they can't answer. It's all a matter of perceptions, right or wrong.

Paxton · 27-04-2006, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by XA-Coupe

why do most people buy holdens?? "because they are better" Every time I have asked why or how, they can't answer. It's all a matter of perceptions, right or wrong.

Or its their breeding. I was brought up with Chrysler, and then Ford in my household. When it was time to get a car for myself, I didn't hesitate to get a Falcon. A mate that I went to school with has had nothing but Commodores.

Many people also jumped ship during the AU period. All they had to do was drive one, and see how they had superior dynamics to the equivalent Commodore, yet people buy with their eyes, not with their other senses!

brenx · 27-04-2006, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Now everyone says this but is it really true? Performance cars yes I see your point, but from what I understand its the XT's and the Futura's that are the bulk of the sales. Do you really think these people know/care if its FWD or RWD, V6 or I6?

Most understand the maintanence costs will be higher on a fwd car. Especially one that you can't get the last two plugs out of without removing major parts. Like the manifold for example. Mitsu run iridium plugs in them but when it comes to change them. It hits real hard.

The buyer has learned from the prior V6 magna's. Most once they drive one will figure out it's driving from the front wheels. A fwd heavy car will destroy the front tyres pretty rapidly too.

rwd cars all the way for me. Although my old man has taken a liking to his V6 toyota Camry. I put it down to he is over 50

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turboute · 27-04-2006, 10:55 AM

Chrysler can come here with a RWD V8 and immediately have sales success (esp after the neon) Mitsubishi should learn from that they they obviosly have had their heads in their ***** for too long.

Why would it be so hard to change their plant to RWD? there is better chance of that turning the company around that than trying to keep flogging the same old crap they come out with each new model and having no success whatsoever.

XPcoupe · 27-04-2006, 11:05 AM

I agree, the swinging voter, that looks at different brands/models does not care if it is FWD or RWD, it is all about the look and keeping up with the Jone's. why do people buy a brand of car.

1 . Because they have all there life and there parents did.
2 . Because there friend had one and they said it was great
3 . It is a car to be seen in. (keep up with the Jone's)
4 . The press write ups are great, 1 bad comment and it's all over.

I will buy a ford V8 any day as that's what I like and you will not steer me from it. my only discussion is Ute or sedan

The Australia marked is not big enough for 3 large car manufacturers.

Steffo · 27-04-2006, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by XPcoupe

The Australia marked is not big enough for 3 large car manufacturers.

Which is why it has four? Ford, Holden, Toyota, Mitsubishi.

The 380 is a heap. It's no better then the Magna it replaced, it was too expensive, though they might fix that... and some parts are very ugly...(whoever designed its steering wheel needs a punch to the face).

As it stands... Falcon, Commodore... and its biggest rival, Camry > 380.

XplosiveR6 · 27-04-2006, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by XA-Coupe

why do most people buy holdens?? "because they are better" Every time I have asked why or how, they can't answer. It's all a matter of perceptions, right or wrong.

since when does "most" people buy holdens, more private buyers buy falcons then commodores, holden sell more company cars as they are simply cheaper to run, and because the AU, and even then the margin is not that great.

AWD Chaser · 27-04-2006, 11:35 AM

6 cylinder cars under $47,000:

Mitsubishi 380 GT - $43,999 - 175Kw @ 5250rpm; 343Nm @ 4000rpm
Ford Falcon XR6T - $46,405 - 245Kw @ 5250rpm; 480Nm @ 2000rpm
Holden Commodore SV6 - $39,990 - 190Kw @ 6500rpm; 335Nm @ 3200rpm

I'd go the falcon... (even if it was 175Kw, I would still go the falcon - lol.)

csv8 · 27-04-2006, 11:39 AM

Brenz...try changing the back plugs on a Ford V8 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Deanodriver · 27-04-2006, 11:47 AM

I did think that the 380 was too little, too late, to be honest.

I think that unless Mitsubishi release either a 4cyl model or a turbo diesel, or start getting a decent export program going (or even building other models here), I think that Tonsley Park is doomed.

Let's face it, large sixes are out of vogue, and the 380 hasn't made a big impact on the market, and it's competing with the older models. Once the VE, Orion and the Aurion come out, I believe it'll be curtains for the 380.

mash85 · 27-04-2006, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by EF_Dave

since when does "most" people buy holdens, more private buyers buy falcons then commodores, holden sell more company cars as they are simply cheaper to run, and because the AU, and even then the margin is not that great.

you know for a fact that more private buyers buy falcons?

eb2fairmont · 27-04-2006, 12:15 PM

For the 380 to be a sucess it needed to be RWD - a big point of differnce in the large car marketplace and the only way Toyota and Misti will build a falcadore rival.

But, the factory is configured to be flexible and for two production lines. It would be profitable on 30-35,000 cars a year.

Enter Chrysler? Easy way for extra 300c demand in RHD markets to be realised and for Chrysler Australia to make it to thier stated aim of 14,000 cars by 2010.

bathurst77 · 27-04-2006, 12:18 PM

(P)76 x 5 = 380

bathurst77 · 27-04-2006, 12:26 PM

Just as the dieing Valiant and sparkling Sigma meant Mistu replaced Chysler in OZ, could it be that a combo of 300C, Magnum, Crossfire, Voyager Charger and Challengers could mean Chysler returns replacing Mistu?

Wonder what thos Stratus/Sebrings are like?

bathurst77 · 27-04-2006, 12:39 PM

I honestly believe most buyers (esp fleets) DONT care or even know if a car is FWD vs RWD. A FWD car with an AWD option/model for the performance or towing minded people would cater for those who care.

People want a car that looks good, its that simple. VT killed AU coz people preferred the looks both inside and out. So many people said to me "I wouldnt buy a Falcon (AU) coz they are ugly."

IF im gunna plonk $30K minimum on a car, i want to smile when I see it and be proud to show my mates.

380 and last magna were not as good looking as their competitors inside or out, nor did they offer anything special to make me overlook the appearances. If they were so much better in some other way (heaps faster, more economical, more luxury, roomier way cheaper or something then the opposition) maybe I could be persuaded.

But if there are 2 or 3 cars all about the same price, specs etc but one is ugly, then why should I buy it? At least AU falcon had "Roomy rugged reliable cheap to service and i know the company wil be here to stay" reputation, Mistu doesnt have any of that.

Ringo · 27-04-2006, 12:47 PM

(P)76 x 5 = 380 <---- That's funny

No.1 - The design of the 380 is not flash....looks a bit 80's compared to other 6 cyl sedans

No.2 - Its a 6cyl.....ehhhh not so good when fuel is going up and Corolla is outselling Commodore

No.3 - Driving dynamics were not a leap forward for 6 cyl buyers even if it was for Mits

No.4 - The long term viability of Mits manufacturing in Aus is doubtful...this has effected resale values and is an ongoing risk...all of which is factored in lease pricing in the highly price sensitive fleet market.

No.5 - No dedicated LPG model (E-Gas sales have risen 40% since January 2005 and still climbing)

No.6 - VE Commydore and Aurion are due out in the next 6 months...if you could you'd wait too see what they are like before puting down your order.

No. 7 - 380 LE LX LTS GTX HMV SUV MTV......whatever. Ford, Holden and eveyone except BMW and Audi have names for their cars, not numbers. Mits should give them some names to give each level car some identity. 380 Degree, 380 Grande, 380 Concourse, 380 Maxis...you get the drift...give the marketing dept something to work with instead of just letters...where is 'the brand' or 'identitiy' in just letters?

Toyota Aurion will kill off Mits manufacturing in Australia....mark my words

brenx · 27-04-2006, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

Brenz...try changing the back plugs on a Ford V8 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not sure about late model but on my clevo a set of plugs takes me around 10 minutes.

AWD Chaser · 27-04-2006, 12:48 PM

Actually, I thought the VX was the comparision model for the AU, (VT and EL?), then VY / BA and VZ / BF ....???

: Bah, another thread for another day.

XA-Coupe · 27-04-2006, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by EF_Dave

since when does "most" people buy holdens, more private buyers buy falcons then commodores, holden sell more company cars as they are simply cheaper to run, and because the AU, and even then the margin is not that great.

ffs, read what I wrote,.. not what you think I wrote.

Did I say most people who buy cars buy holdens?? no, I said, why do most people buy holdens?? I was not even referring to market shares.

Ringo · 27-04-2006, 12:54 PM

What is this talk of the 300c.....they have sold a couple of hundred of the suckers....big deal.

The big big fleets couldn't care less about FWD or RWD. The care about safety equipment (OH+S) and lease costs and minimising financial risk

**Polyal** · 27-04-2006, 12:57 PM

^^true 300C is rather niche, but they could export them to other RHD markets if the demnd is there.

brenx · 27-04-2006, 01:03 PM

I know my works not looking at the 380 as a fleet vehicle. They are using Falcon E gas cars, Toyota camrys, Holden Commodores and Toyota hybrid 4cyls.

They've realised the error of their ways with the E Gas Falcon though. They can't fit 5 people and their court documents in the car. It means they'll phase out the E Gas Falcon from our fleet pretty quickly. A bit like the new Toyota Hiace's really. If you over 5'2"? You'll hit your head on the way in and out if your not careful.

XplosiveR6 · 27-04-2006, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by XA-Coupe

ffs, read what I wrote,.. not what you think I wrote.

Did I say most people who buy cars buy holdens?? no, I said, why do most people buy holdens?? I was not even referring to market shares.

settle down, you said "why do most people buy holdens?" i took that at face value im not a mind reader, if that was not what you ment, thats fine, simply state that thats not what you ment, no need to get agro beacuse I simply misinterpreted what you said