Problems re-fueling my AUII XR6 , help plz ..

XR6-VCT-2000 · 10-05-2006, 08:40 AM

Ok , small problem i have , it's happened since i got the car and i thought maybe it was the servos fuel pumps, but now im starting to think its my car !.
The problem - 9 out of 10 servos i refuel my car at , i have problems with the handle clicking off constantlly as if the tank is full. Originally i though it was just that the servo's had refilled their tanks and the handle was cutting off to slow down the filling speed a bit (so the $/ltr counter would keep up etc etc ). I ended up asking a few people inside the servo's and they recon it was because the air wasn't being able to escape from my tank while filling , they suggested holding the fuel pump handle on different angles or pull it out a bit ( none of that works ), but no matter what i do i end up having to fill my car as slow as a snail ( i can only just barelly hold the handle/trigger in lightlly, any harder and it clicks off ) ... my question - does my fuel tank have a blocked breather hole ? , or is there some kind of sensor inside the tank causing a problem or something ? , help please ... as it takes me forever even just to put $20 of fuel in my car ! , cheers ... ??????

The Monty · 10-05-2006, 09:23 AM

My Camry used to do that. I just didnt put the nozzle all the way in, and it worked fine. Maybe worth a go for ya.

blackers10 · 10-05-2006, 11:45 AM

its a standard ford falcon accessory..
makes it look like ur always FILLIN HER UP even tho ur getting $5 worth

Yum-Yum · 10-05-2006, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by blackers10

its a standard ford falcon accessory..
makes it look like ur always FILLIN HER UP even tho ur getting $5 worth

PMSL and it does feels like that too, mate just withdraw the nozzle a little and it should be alright, mine does this too and have noticed it on some other vehicles as well, just make sure you don't withdraw too far LOL

StAndArdAU · 10-05-2006, 12:41 PM

Mine does the same do don't worry, all of our work cars and my g/f's does it too. i have been told that its a problem with some of the new machines. because they are made now without the locking mechanism, however the ones where this was simply taken off of the nozzle are the ones which usually are the culprits.
The locking thing became a danger apparently as they had some problems in the sates or sum crap with them not unlocking ??

JeffAU1 · 10-05-2006, 12:54 PM

Mine also does this, but it wont do it for a few months, and then all of a sudden it will start again.

I just have to hold the pump trigger down ever so slightley.

It used to do it worse im my old 2000 Lancer VRX.

JC · 10-05-2006, 01:08 PM

Neither of mine do this - I'd say you all have a common problem. Though not sure what that problem is.

XR6-VCT-2000 · 10-05-2006, 01:31 PM

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Neither of mine do this - I'd say you all have a common problem. Though not sure what that problem is.

Yep i recon its a problem ! - it shouldn't do it ! - this used to happen in my missus old gemini too , but it would also stall sometimes in exreme hot weather , found out it was the breather hole in the tank was blocked , unblocked it and all was fine after that. Allthough its not as bad on my ford - it just gives me the filling problems , but doesn't stall on hot days etc etc ( no other problems ).... which is making me wonder if the breather hole for the fuel tank is a bit blocked ?? , i wouldn't even know where to look for the breather hole on the AU fuel tanks ! ..lol

StAndArdAU · 10-05-2006, 01:55 PM

i would seriously blame it on the fuel bowser dude. in my town all of the BP one's do it whereas if i fill up at Caltex it won't

and just about everyone i've told about it have said there's does it too.

XR6-VCT-2000 · 10-05-2006, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by StAndArdAU

i would seriously blame it on the fuel bowser dude. in my town all of the BP one's do it whereas if i fill up at Caltex it won't

and just about everyone i've told about it have said there's does it too.

Thats why im so confused on weather its a problem , i've put up with it for ages ,but have been noting where i fill up and looking at / checking out the nozzles . The only 1 servo i found i don't have problems with - their nozzles are the slightest bit thinner than the other servo's i fill up at ( like i can actually even wobble the fuel filler handle about a bit even with the nozzle in all the way ) , this makes me think that their nozzles being a tadd thinner is letting the excess air escape out of my tank freely while i fill (which a breather in the tank would/should usually do anyway ) - but any other servo , i've tried it heaps of times to the point bit by bit pulling it out where i nearlly got fuel running down the side of my car ! - also these nozzles at the other servo's , their nozzle diameter is only a bit smaller than the size of the filling hole on my car... so maybe its leting a bit of the air out of the tank but not enough fast enough ( thats where the breather hole should be doing its job again too ) - but it isn't ! ... darn for all i know it might have nothing to do with the air not being able to escape from the tank while filling , but it sure sounds like it to me from the same problem we had with the missus gemini years ago . Anyone know where to look for the breather hole on the AU fuel tank ? ( thats if it has 1 - i dunno ..lol ) .. i wouldn't mind at least checking it out . cheers

HLC · 10-05-2006, 02:16 PM

mine does it. just hold the trigger like halfway, or to the point just before it clicks...

in doing that, i managed to fit 66 litres in my tank yesterday

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XR6-VCT-2000 · 10-05-2006, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by HLC

mine does it. just hold the trigger like halfway, or to the point just before it clicks...

in doing that, i managed to fit 66 litres in my tank yesterday

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I think it seems to of gotten worse latelly , is why it's bothering me so much now, and why im thinking its a problem. It's got to the point now where i can't even hardly pull the trigger in ! - soon as i toutch it it click over :( - im serious , i can only pull the handle in like 1 to 2 mm , yes millimeters ! , before it clicks off , it's taking me forever even just to put $20 in my car - and when its ****in down with rain and blowing a gail , you don't really wanna be standing there for 10 mins just to put $20 of fuel in , specially with todays prices - it should take about a minute max to put in $20 worth ..lol

4.9 EF Futura · 10-05-2006, 02:25 PM

My EF does it frequently at certain servos, even at certain pumps within the same servo... find a servo that works for you and stick with it...

For me - Greenhil road BP - pump #5, everytime. Lol.

XR6-VCT-2000 · 10-05-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

My EF does it frequently at certain servos, even at certain pumps within the same servo... find a servo that works for you and stick with it...

For me - Greenhil road BP - pump #5, everytime. Lol.

Funny you should say that , i have actually found that 1 servo so far that had the slightly thinner nozzles worked ok , but they are on the othe side of town , i've filled up there 3 times in the last few months of owning the car and had no problems , but i just can't seem to find a servo locally that works fine - and as i mentioned it seems to be getting worse now too (using the same local pumps)- as now i can hardly pull the trigger before it clicks off , which is making me think there is maybe a small problem and the reason i wouldn't mind checking out the breather hole on my fuel tank , if i knew where to start lookin for it ! - anyone know ?

4.9 EF Futura · 10-05-2006, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6-VCT-2000

Funny you should say that , i have actually found that 1 servo so far that had the slightly thinner nozzles worked ok , but they are on the othe side of town , i've filled up there 3 times in the last few months of owning the car and had no problems , but i just can't seem to find a servo locally that works fine - and as i mentioned it seems to be getting worse now too (using the same local pumps)- as now i can hardly pull the trigger before it clicks off , which is making me think there is maybe a small problem and the reason i wouldn't mind checking out the breather hole on my fuel tank , if i knew where to start lookin for it ! - anyone know ?

Your tank should not have a breather hole per se - i believe this is effected through the charcoal/carbon cannister. The emissions of fuel vapours coming straight from a tank (like the good old days) are horrific.

If your fuel cap goes "psshhh" on a hot day with low fuel then its a good indication this particular emission control system is working effectively.

I guess that's why its very important to get the air exchange operating effectively at the filler hole.

XR6-VCT-2000 · 10-05-2006, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

Your tank should not have a breather hole per se - i believe this is effected through the charcoal/carbon cannister. The emissions of fuel vapours coming straight from a tank (like the good old days) are horrific.

If your fuel cap goes "psshhh" on a hot day with low fuel then its a good indication this particular emission control system is working effectively.

I guess that's why its very important to get the air exchange operating effectively at the filler hole.

Ahh , thank you , the answer i was looking for

- i wasn't sure weather these newer cars had breather holes like old cars or not, is making me wonder now if the carbon canister is blocked a bit or the line leading to it or something , has to be something though as it seems it has gotten worse since i got the car . thanks again . ;)

HLC · 10-05-2006, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6-VCT-2000

I think it seems to of gotten worse latelly , is why it's bothering me so much now, and why im thinking its a problem. It's got to the point now where i can't even hardly pull the trigger in ! - soon as i toutch it it click over :( - im serious , i can only pull the handle in like 1 to 2 mm , yes millimeters ! , before it clicks off , it's taking me forever even just to put $20 in my car - and when its ****in down with rain and blowing a gail , you don't really wanna be standing there for 10 mins just to put $20 of fuel in , specially with todays prices - it should take about a minute max to put in $20 worth ..lol

well like everyone else as said, have you tried filling up with the nozzle not as far in. its all trial and error. its not a problem.

XR6-VCT-2000 · 10-05-2006, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HLC

well like everyone else as said, have you tried filling up with the nozzle not as far in. its all trial and error. its not a problem.

yep tried all that , no go , and it has gotten worse too !. Also some people mention thay don't have the problem at all , no matter what servo they goto ( and no having to pull the nozzle half out or any stuff like that ) which along with it getting worse makes me suspect the tank is not releasing the trapped air in the tank, by right really you shouldn't have to be pulling nozzles half way in and out to fill ya car etc etc .. And if the breather leads to the charcoal/carbon cannister like 4.9EF suggested then i wouldn't be supprised at all if its rooted or the line along the way to it from the tank is blocked.

StAndArdAU · 10-05-2006, 03:00 PM

try filling up a jerry can next time your there and see if the same problem exists!?!

JC · 10-05-2006, 05:51 PM

Just to make you really jealous, I can fill mine up by sticking the nozzle in, and then screwing the fuel cap into the handle - hands free filling. Love it. Yes, I know technically it's illegal, but most console operators these days don't have time to watch, and I stand next to the car anyway - I just don't have to hold it.

XR6-VCT-2000 · 10-05-2006, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by StAndArdAU

try filling up a jerry can next time your there and see if the same problem exists!?!

Without even trying it yet , i couldn't see a jerry can causing a problem if i use a funnel with a small nozzle , smaller than the hole you stick the funnel in, it would be allowing the excess air in the tank to escape from around the nozzle.. But by right really you shouldn't really have to rely on getting the nozzle in a certian position . Being excessive here just to make a point - but - even if u put the nozzle in the hole then taped it off to seal it, the tank should still be able to dispell any excess air/fumes/pressure though the breather.

XR6-VCT-2000 · 10-05-2006, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JC

Just to make you really jealous, I can fill mine up by sticking the nozzle in, and then screwing the fuel cap into the handle - hands free filling. Love it. Yes, I know technically it's illegal, but most console operators these days don't have time to watch, and I stand next to the car anyway - I just don't have to hold it.

hahaha ..lol , i too used to do that with the gas on my old XE years ago , jammed that yellow cap in the handle opposite to the line of the handle , worked a treat

. ..lol

JC · 10-05-2006, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6-VCT-2000

hahaha ..lol , i too used to do that with the gas on my old XE years ago , jammed that yellow cap in the handle opposite to the line of the handle , worked a treat

. ..lol

I was talking about petrol, not gas. Most gas pumps these days have a little clip that holds the handle down. So no matter what fuel I fill with, I have hands free filling. :nutsycuck

kc_ksom · 10-05-2006, 07:50 PM

VCT

I have the same car as yours VCT, and I also have the same problem filling up... I dont know what is going on here as i havent realy been bothered having a look. But I know if I fill mine to the brim and start heading out of town it starts to serge big time, It happend once when i was leaving for holidays with the car packed up pulled into the servo filled it to the top all but trickling out, started heading for the coast and it played up heaps as soon as I started. I though oH no, so I pulled into the local auto shop and picked up a fuel filter thinking I have picked up a heap of dirty fuel, rang there company and complained HEAPS, lol,,, and continued out to the Hwy, it done it for 10 mins, not even... fixed itself, lol,, I think that has something to do with the canister as it is over filled... dont quote me though, lol....

Casey

XR6-VCT-2000 · 10-05-2006, 07:58 PM

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VCT

I have the same car as yours VCT, and I also have the same problem filling up... I dont know what is going on here as i havent realy been bothered having a look. But I know if I fill mine to the brim and start heading out of town it starts to serge big time, It happend once when i was leaving for holidays with the car packed up pulled into the servo filled it to the top all but trickling out, started heading for the coast and it played up heaps as soon as I started. I though oH no, so I pulled into the local auto shop and picked up a fuel filter thinking I have picked up a heap of dirty fuel, rang there company and complained HEAPS, lol,,, and continued out to the Hwy, it done it for 10 mins, not even... fixed itself, lol,, I think that has something to do with the canister as it is over filled... dont quote me though, lol....

Casey

That above you stated happened to my missus old gemini with a full tank , it would even stall sometimes , ended up being there was to much pressure in the tank ( worse when full ) . I havent tried filling my vct to the brim yet as it takes too long as it is just to put $20 in , but im suspecting somthing like you just mentioned above will happen if i do fill my tank with the problem i have , im gonna get out there tomorrow during the daylight and have a look at the breather setup for the tank , im almost convinced it has something to do with that .

**DJM83** · 13-05-2006, 12:45 PM

Mine did this while i was on holidays i was filling up at newcastle (well trying to) i didnt have all that much fuel in the car at that stage (going to qld) luckily there was a BP bout 3km down the road on my GPS and i could fill up there and it worked, not the right time for your car to "not want" fuel anyway mine does it occasionaly now aswell as not squeezeing the pump fully undo the fuel cap even though it is vented let the fumes/air escape for a minute then try

blackers10 · 13-05-2006, 01:04 PM

i believe it is due to the angle of the downward part of the fuel filler stem in ur car

if you try pullin the handle UP as ur doing it it somtimes helps...
i beleive there is only 2 types of modern fuel bowsers
from 2 different companys

good luck mate

mik · 13-05-2006, 07:57 PM

i dont have that problem most of the time but while on a trip a while ago i had a problem filling with a nozzle ....i cant remember what servo it was, i usually fill at a bp no probs ,but i do think some servos the fuel flows faster, where as other servos seems to take forever, maybe it is a breather thing.

XR6-VCT-2000 · 24-05-2006, 10:42 PM

OK ..old topic , but i've been following this issue since i first posted it . I checked all the fuel system/breather system , angle and size of the filler pipe...no problems found. I managed to get yakking quite a bit with a regular servo attendant at a servo i regularly fill up at ( 1 of the better servo's with less problems usually ) . Just tonight i went and filled up and the pump worked fine , filled flat-ot

, the same bloke i have been yakkin with a bit was there and reconed he mentioned the problem to his boss , he said they had the sensors fixed in the pumps. Well seems i can fill my car flatout again

, so it looks like it definatelly is servo problems , not the car - just a case of servo's getting greedy with fuel prices and customer service declining - just like everyhting else these days (customer service wise ! ) .

GK · 24-05-2006, 11:30 PM

Glad to hear you got a solution. Talking to people is good, talking to the people with the right info is great!

GK