FPV's response to VE

Ghiadude · 13-07-2006, 07:14 AM

In response to the release of neew blood from HSV FPV have trademarked the following:-

FPV FORCE 6
Lodgement Date: 24-APR-2006
Class/es: 12
Status: Indexing Approved

FPV FORCE 8
Lodgement Date: 24-APR-2006
Class/es: 12
Status: Indexing Approved

Falcon Freak · 13-07-2006, 07:18 AM

Interesting. Does it mean force fed cars?

FF

**Bluehoon** · 13-07-2006, 07:45 AM

here we go again,

just because a patent is lodged doesn't mean there will be a new car!!!!!!!

Yeeeeeeeeessshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!

flappist · 13-07-2006, 09:05 AM

FPV Force 6, ahhhhh, might have seen a few of them about.......

SpoolMan · 13-07-2006, 09:15 AM

Force 8 sounds like the GT with its PD Blower...project Orion.

martO · 13-07-2006, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SpoolMan

Force 8 sounds like the GT with its PD Blower...project Orion.

We can only hope

An F8, supercharged V8 sounds good.

charles_wif_xf · 13-07-2006, 10:46 AM

I is drooling now aiii!

JD86 · 13-07-2006, 10:46 AM

love to see a charged 8 from FPV, blow those new HSV 6L's

Thunder · 13-07-2006, 02:16 PM

Force 8 is the return of the H.O

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bathurst77 · 13-07-2006, 02:47 PM

... Force 7v two door hatchback anyone?

K_Man · 13-07-2006, 07:23 PM

Hahahaha was just thinking that

Melz · 13-07-2006, 07:29 PM

And both the customplates FORCE6 & FORCE8 are already taken in Victoria... hehehehehe

McobraR · 13-07-2006, 07:31 PM

The HSV GTS will be coming back... will the Force 8 be enough? *** last time i read here was that the Force 8/gtho will have 330kw... If the GTS gets the 7L monster V8, 330kw will just be a walk in the park.
And even if we get that hurricane V8 in the future, GM has an upcoming 6.2 V8 of their own, and Dodge has a 6.4 hemi in the works. Ford US is too slow with reading the market i say...

XR Martin · 13-07-2006, 07:38 PM

For someone with the name 'McobraR', you should know about the 500hp Supercharged 5.4 in the new GT500. Too slow at reading the market?

Fairlane · 13-07-2006, 07:40 PM

"Force 8"

Run; its the replacement for the Leyland P76 Coupe

*the smart ones will get this

galaxy xr8 · 13-07-2006, 07:41 PM

We live in hope, I hate this waiting game.

XR8putts · 13-07-2006, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

We live in hope, I hate this waiting game.

Never a truer word spoken.

flappist · 13-07-2006, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Fairlane

"Force 8"

Run; its the replacement for the Leyland P76 Coupe

*the smart ones will get this

No, the OLD ones will get it....... car of the year.....yeh right

xf_vanner · 13-07-2006, 09:20 PM

im not getting my hopes up just yet up until the ba ford took 2 long 2 beat holden in the power race so c wat happens..

McobraR · 13-07-2006, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

For someone with the name 'McobraR', you should know about the 500hp Supercharged 5.4 in the new GT500. Too slow at reading the market?

Yep! Ford seems to be supercharging all their engines now just to keep up. The F150 might be the highest selling pickup in the US, but it lacks the balls of the competition, hence the reason for hurricane... and even when their hurricane 6.2 comes out (which is meant to crush the compeition) GM and chrysler will have engines of similar capacity already.
And that new 3.5 V6 ford US released... shouldve been out when the new mustang/fusion/500 was released, becoz that 4.0 duratec V6 with 157kw is a slug!
Not saying the GT500 has a crap engine tho, but we definitely wont be getting that in the Force8/GTHO.

Full Spectrum · 14-07-2006, 01:34 AM

I think there is a 6.2lt Supercharged Chev engine coming in the Vette soon. Power not sure.
So there might a GT40 F8 in the mix.

Then again it might be just superchargers added to a barra and boss engine and they name them Force-6 225kw and Force-8 300kw As a option with these 2 names.

new2ford · 14-07-2006, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by flappist

No, the OLD ones will get it....... car of the year.....yeh right

There must be some old ones in Ford because registering Force 6 and Force 8 and sidestepping Force 7 is a bit of an obvious attempt at avoiding plagiarism!

The Force 7 was fantastic and should have made it into production. When you consider it alongside the Holdens and Falcons at the time. The P76/Force 7 was huge inside but weighed only 1.2 tonnes. Using an alloy 4.4l V8 they achieved a 50-50 weight distribution and you could chuck the car around like a Mini. Fuel consumption - this was a V8 remember - was 10.1 - 12.5 Litres per 100 km - better than the Holden and Falcon 6s achieved at the time, not to mention the V8s! It took Holden and Ford a long time to catch up with this sort of stuff. Wheels knew what they were doing when they gave it the gong.

I wish FPV well - just wish they'd choose more original names!

hrtrip · 14-07-2006, 05:56 AM

wow... i am actually really excited - like no jokes this would be awesome

FPV · 14-07-2006, 01:44 PM

Well someone has added to the strong rumours of the GTS receiving the LS7 engine on the LS1 forums. Right now it looks like it will deal a massive blow the FPV v8 range.

The reason for the boost in sales is partially contibuted to the F6 bringing in new customers and partially due to the HSV VZ models phasing out.

Some people have said that this "Force 8" name is for the orion and not for BFII, so does this mean we have to wait another 1.5 years to see a response to the GTS? FPV got the F6 formula right and have launched it at the right time to create a new niche in the market, but they always seem to be on the backfoot when it comes to high performance v8 sedans.

HSV look like they will expand into export markets which is excellent and it will allow them to push harder with there performance range. I think FPV also has a similar calling, however who knows when FPV will start exporting to other parts of the world, with the exception of new zealand. The Australian Ford range is seeming to get more and more recognition from american magazines, i have stumbled upon a new article which mentioned the FPV V8's but also highlights the power issues:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=115983
Scroll down to the bottom to see what they say about the FPV.

Anyway there have been rumours of a 40th anniversary limited edition GT or even a GTHO. Either version would be a flagship for the FPV range, especially if it brings the supercharged V8 with it. It is about time FPV show what a world class car the BF/BFII range really is. Hopefully they release it at the start of next year or even preview such a car at AIMS.

Fordoldie · 14-07-2006, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FPV

Well someone has added to the strong rumours of the GTS receiving the LS7 engine on the LS1 forums. Right now it looks like it will deal a massive blow the FPV v8 range.

The reason for the boost in sales is partially contibuted to the F6 bringing in new customers and partially due to the HSV VZ models phasing out.

Yes that seems to be the case (LS7 for GTS) and the rest of the HSV range will stay with the LS2 but upped to approx 320kw because the SS will be about 270kw and HSV want to really set themselves aprt from the Holden speedsters. When the next series VE range comes out early 2008 HSV will step up to 6.2 with DOD

Full Spectrum · 14-07-2006, 02:43 PM

I really don't see anything to worry about HSV having 7lt GTS. Ford over the years haven't responded to it so why bother now?. It's only going to be in limited numbers very few will own one very few will be made i think it's nothing to worry about.
The real worry is in the affordable range like Clubsport with 310-320kw 550nm+.

eb2fairmont · 14-07-2006, 02:45 PM

Ford don't have the balls. Sad but true.

xfalconz · 14-07-2006, 02:58 PM

With V8 engines over the years its been all about the numbers, Remember AU 185,200Kw when Holden had up to 250Kw.
With Holdens Gen 4 at 297Kw i think it wont be a prob to stretch that to 330Kw N/A
For HSV to have the option of the 7 Litre, 427 or whatever is big news also...
Ford will have to supercharge the Boss to match it, if they can, which is like trying to catch up.
Holden seem to always be one step ahead i terms of V8 development..

HSE2 · 14-07-2006, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SlickHolden

I really don't see anything to worry about HSV having 7lt GTS. Ford over the years haven't responded to it so why bother now?. It's only going to be in limited numbers very few will own one very few will be made i think it's nothing to worry about.
The real worry is in the affordable range like Clubsport with 310-320kw 550nm+.

Well there is one reason why they will. At the end of the AU era some promenade Ford people made some rather boastful comments about sand and faces. They did that when FPV launched the return of the GT 30 kws above the entry level Club sport while the XR8 packed the equivalent number as the clubbie. Pretty big slap in the face that had been festering back to the launch of the LS1 where Ford admittedly didn't believe Holden would launch that sort of power assault.

Crystal ball time suggest SS will have or be very close to entry FPV level.
Clubsport will have depending on which measurement you prescribe to 30 - 40 kws or the same as when LS1 was launched over then T Series that was soon to be launched

And GTS looks set to again raise 50kws above basic HSVs just as 300 played 250. See a pattern? We have seen this before and if they follow closely what has gone before the 370 limit will remain for the life of this platform.

I don't really have much of idea what they are doing with engine levels except from what I have read on LS1 and a few of those guys seem to know a bit. Given that it is history repeating the 200 the 270 and the 320 look very likely numbers to me.

FPV reacting. One would have thought that if FPV were going to react then they would have made a move when BF was launched and not a series increment. They made a point that basically not going backwards for Euro 3 was in fact a significant step forward. FPV have to pay dearly for the BOSS they simply can't reach higher on the part stand. Unless development costs can be spread over a model cycle it unlikely they we see a return unless BOSS configuration continues into the next model, although Tickford did do similar with the last of the Windsor’s.

Then you have the fact that although FPV lead the segment you may as well call it even. To be behind in terms of power and performance doesn’t seem to have hurt sales. It becomes a question of how far behind do they have to be to lose the market they have and then react or if the sand +face= behind equation still holds any sway at all.

Then there is the fact that the LS2 a huge improvement over LS1 has been discounted basically since its introduction to sell the numbers they have. Why? And with fuel prices increasing Ford have some interesting decisions heading into the last quarter of this year. As much as people would like to believe Ford have changed they haven't. They are still followers and still sit off the play. They will on occasions hunt but they won’t kill. They had a huge chance to detract from VE last year and backed off.

The Force 6 and 8 registration has been extended from the early form to include a raft of other classes. Each time I hear it I can’t help think of the Craig Lowndes fan club which I believe includes the word “force”. Looking at the timing of registration to fruition, it would appear that what ever it is, is set for this year- judging by what Ford did with Typhoon, Tornado and F6. And yes there is no F8 registered.

As for the real worry? Well it will be if it sells. It has to do that first.

billyb35 · 14-07-2006, 07:35 PM

GM thinks make it bigger bigger bigger, Ford says smarter with turbos/superchargers.

HSV's current strategy is not sustainable in the current market with petrol prices the way they are. Moreover, Holden's general strategy seems to be to reduce large car production and HSV's continued push for bigger faster stronger surely only acts to shrink their market whereas Ford is expanding into new markets and has been for quite some time.

Already the sales figures YTD/Monthly indicate all the large Australian manufacturers are slowing their large car production in response to this issue. The only Australian manufacturer to post postive sales growth (and for that matter not have a significant shrinkage in production e.g Holden down 21%) was Mitsubuishi.

BTW on point, I would love to see a force fed V8 as the hero model for Ford. Can't see what significance a "Force 6" prestige model would have? Maybe like a GT-P F6?