VE Pricing To Hurt VZ Secondhand.

csv8 · 20-07-2006, 05:42 PM

PRICING IN MORE DETAIL
As noted above, V-Series special edition aside, Omega kicks off the range at $36,490 with air and ESP. A Side Protection Pack with side and curtain airbags and active front head restraints is also available as an option on Omega priced at $2000. A full-size spare will cost you another $100. Other options listed include Bluetooth preparation ($390) and a six-disc stacker at $595.

Berlina starts at $39,990 with the V6 or $44,990 for the 6.0-litre V8 with six-speed auto, and gets 17-inch alloy wheels, multi-function display screen, side impact airbags (curtain airbags optional with leather trim seats at $2500), rear park assist, bluetooth connectivity, MP3-compatible six-disc in-dash CD player, leather wrap steering wheel and dual-zone climate control.

In comparison the VZ Berlina was priced from $43,890 and $48,590 for the V6 and V8 models respectively.

Holden's sports-oriented Commodores start with the SV6, equipped with the 3.6-litre V6 (rated at 195kW/340Nm) and six-speed manual for $39,990. Optional five-speed automatic with Active Select will cost you another $1000 and both versions get 18-inch alloy wheels, dual-stage front airbags, side impact airbags (curtain airbags optional with leather trim seats – see Berlina above), sports suspension, sports fascia, body kit and rear spoiler, front fog lamps, body-coloured mirrors and door handles, dual exhaust with chrome tips, leather wrap steering wheel, Bluetooth connectivity and power windows.

Next in the ring, the 6.0-litre V8 270kW/530Nm six-speed manual SS is priced at $44,990 – a saving, says Holden, of $6800 over the equivalent VZ. The optional six-speed auto will cost you $2000 more and standard SS features include quad exhaust, 18-inch alloy wheels, dual-stage front airbags, side impact airbags (curtain airbags optional with leather trim seats – see Berlina above), sports suspension, sports body kit, sports seats, MP3-compatible six-disc in-dash CD player and leather wrap steering wheel.

The 'V'-treated SS V model starts at $51,990 ($200 more than the old SS) with six-speed manual and has all SS features plus projector headlamps, 19-inch alloy wheels, multi-function display, curtain airbags, dual-zone climate control, 230-watt audio system with sub-woofer, colour-coded instrument cluster, sports gauges, sports profile leather wrap steering wheel, leather seat trim and alloy pedals. Auto will cost you $2000 more.

Luxury-level Calais is more affordable starting at $45,490 for the 195kW V6 and five-speed automatic or $50,490 with V8 and six-speed auto. Standard spec features build on the Berlina spec plus sport suspension, projector headlamps, chrome bonnet header, dual exhaust (quad on V6) with chrome tips, curtain air bags, six-way power driver's seat and passenger seat with leather bolsters, full color multi-function display, leather grip on gear shift and rear seat centre armrest.

Calais V, for $53,490 with V6 or $58,490 with V8, has all Calais features plus zoned front and rear park assist, rain sensing wipers, external mirror puddle lamps, 18-inch alloy wheels, leather seat trim, single screen roof-mounted DVD, 230-watt audio system with sub-woofer, priority seat and mirror memory, eight-way power front seats and sliding centre armrest.

With the new VE priced lower than the VZ, trade in prices and secondhand sales will fall. Not a nice thought for people who bought a VZ. !!
Be interesting to see how FORD responds to this.

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**Mechan1k** · 20-07-2006, 05:47 PM

All new models always hurt the 2nd hand pricing of vehicles.
All vehicle ... regardless ... lose value the minute they drive out the dealership driveway ... no matter what. It becomes a used/2nd hand car immediately.

1st and 2nd year depreciation is a killer on all vehicles ... we all have to live with it.

YOOT · 20-07-2006, 05:50 PM

Didn't Holden learn from Fords mistake with the EL/AU

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Uni · 20-07-2006, 05:54 PM

Ford's response?

my guess is that they'll keep their cards close to them and sit tight until the next falcon, which is due in a few years. while the new commodore is a big step, it's really only levelled with Ford in terms of packaging and value. Ford may drop their prices a touch to align themselves more closely with the holden, but realistically, the commodore is a step towards Ford rather than a significant step past them. the falcon is still going to be very competitive, especially given its fuel economy, which i have heard is better than the new commodore's, and hence explains why holden has been so hush hush about it

my 2c

Uni/.
EDIT: What mistake was that YOOT?

Smoke Pursuit · 20-07-2006, 06:01 PM

VZ resale has already been flogged since it was released, remember when Holden had the deal where customers paid staff pricing.

I wouldnt like to have bought one of the first VZ's of any model, as they are seriously going to be hurt now!

Kryton · 20-07-2006, 06:40 PM

all Commodore and Falcon resales are dreadfull. why do you think you can buy a BA for 15k?
as soon as a new model is released the price drops yet again for the previous model. it always has and always will.

rapidxr6 · 20-07-2006, 06:51 PM

A bloke i work with just bought a VZ SV6 at the start of the week, $27,500. ... 31,000km. Also got a new car warranty.
Must be heaps of these getting around. Not a bad deal even for a common-bore.

Scott · 20-07-2006, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by davway

all Commodore and Falcon resales are dreadfull. why do you think you can buy a BA for 15k?
as soon as a new model is released the price drops yet again for the previous model. it always has and always will.

There's been more than a couple BA Ghia's go for <$17k too. New models always hurt their predecessor the most.

Doctor Sodways · 20-07-2006, 07:25 PM

Im keen to see how much the prices drop, ill be looking into a new car early next year, so it will be interesting to see what is in the market from both ford and holden and the prices, might get myself something better than anticipated

Bossxr8 · 20-07-2006, 07:26 PM

Interesting that the Commodore 6 speed auto is more expensive than the german ZF. $2000 Vs $1500. Being German made you'd imagine that it would be more expensive compared to an American made auto. Ford must have got a great deal from ZF.

Scott · 20-07-2006, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Interesting that the Commodore 6 speed auto is more expensive than the german ZF. $2000 Vs $1500. Being German made you'd imagine that it would be more expensive compared to an American made auto. Ford must have got a great deal from ZF.

You'd expect so, they bought them from that guy selling kransky's.

OLDFORDNUT · 21-07-2006, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by GMH8TR

You'd expect so, they bought them from that guy selling kransky's.

hahahaha
good one
gotta love that answer.
very funny,made my morning a bit happier.

OLDFORDNUT · 21-07-2006, 06:25 AM

oh yeah nearly forgot,my mates wife just walked into a yard in Brisbane with $13000 and came home with a very very nice Red BA ,
she has a smile from ear to ear.

Full Spectrum · 21-07-2006, 07:21 AM

When the new VZ Monaro came out there was a Brand new Series 3 Monaro with all options added for $49,000. It's happen before and will happen forever.
It might hurt resale for the sellers (Dealers and Owners) But second hand buyers will be over the moon at getting there hands on cheaper newer models.
I was pretty excited to see a price drop in the VT-VY range in the last 6 months.
Just priced a 99 VT Commodore for $6500 145,000km.

8pAc · 21-07-2006, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by GMH8TR

You'd expect so, they bought them from that guy selling kransky's.

Pure gold, Straight to the pool room. I wonder if you get a free sausage when you buy a holden or if the big wigs kept them all for themselves lol

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merlin · 21-07-2006, 08:50 AM

Dont know anyone who would have bought a VZ at RRP anyway, dealers have been flogging them off for the last 6 months well below RRP.

csv8 · 21-07-2006, 02:07 PM

reposted elsewhere

Dr Smith · 21-07-2006, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Interesting that the Commodore 6 speed auto is more expensive than the german ZF. $2000 Vs $1500. Being German made you'd imagine that it would be more expensive compared to an American made auto. Ford must have got a great deal from ZF.

because Ford (Global) buying power includes supplying for Jag, the US and maybe Aston Martin I think...don't know about Volvo.

Dr Smith · 21-07-2006, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 8pAc

Pure gold, Straight to the pool room. I wonder if you get a free sausage when you buy a holden or if the big wigs kept them all for themselves lol

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..no, just the bread, the filling is an option.

Bossxr8 · 21-07-2006, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

because Ford (Global) buying power includes supplying for Jag, the US and maybe Aston Martin I think...don't know about Volvo.

But Holden are purchasing straight from GM as its a GM made box, rather than an outside supplier like ZF. Not to mention the GM auto was specifically made to fit behind Gen 4 V8's, while the ZF auto had to be adapted to specifically fit Falcon.

irsa76 · 21-07-2006, 10:05 PM

You want to know about getting raped over the resale after a new model release? Have a look at Mitsubishi! A less then 2 year old Verada GTV for $17,000! The damm thing cost $46,000 new. Mind you I can't complain. My wagon cost nearly $50,000 new and I picked it up for $25,000, about $3,000 less then the 1 Falcon wagon that suited our needs.

steen · 22-07-2006, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Interesting that the Commodore 6 speed auto is more expensive than the german ZF. $2000 Vs $1500. Being German made you'd imagine that it would be more expensive compared to an American made auto. Ford must have got a great deal from ZF.

Pssst! Deutsche designed, Mexico made...

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

because Ford (Global) buying power includes supplying for Jag, the US and maybe Aston Martin I think...don't know about Volvo.

It seems that Ford globally will use the 6HP26 in everything RWD, from SUVs to sedans. Ironically, collaboration with GM will see 6T70/75 transaxles in FWD cars. I'm not surprised that the 6L80 is currently a bit pricey, as GM NA are only starting to ramp up production. It's also the reason they've kept the 4L60 & 5L40 units shipping for the V6 instead of 6L50.

Steffo · 22-07-2006, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by steen

Pssst! Deutsche designed, Mexico made...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZF_6HP26_transmission

ZF 'box is made in Saarbrucken, Germany.

ltd · 22-07-2006, 07:21 AM

Taken from carsguide.com.au

"My guess is the car's getting heavier, fuel economy's going to deteriorate -- there's going to be more cost in the vehicle. That's my guess just from what I know about."

Gorman admits the new Holden will make life tougher. "It's going to be a very challenging time. I wouldn't want you to think we're so arrogant that we're not paying attention to this," he says.

He is adamant the one thing Ford will not do is a Mitsubishi 380-style price cut to keep Falcon sales moving.

"If you come in and hack the price out of your offering all you're doing is killing the residual value. And when you have a lot of lease and fleet business, and some rental buy-backs you're killing yourself if you do that."

steen · 22-07-2006, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZF_6HP26_transmission

ZF 'box is made in Saarbrucken, Germany.

Heh, Wiki...

I have recently queried a few things about my ZF tranny. The info I got was that Ford Australia's 6HP26 is not the standard ZF unit. ZF have a Mexican joint venture with Tremec where the custom box is assembled.

Anyone from Ford/ZF Aust care to clarify?

BPXR6T · 22-07-2006, 06:58 PM

Yep, a mate has a VZ clubbie and is ****ting himself over resale...

jimmy_c · 22-07-2006, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GMH8TR

There's been more than a couple BA Ghia's go for <$17k too. New models always hurt their predecessor the most.

This will be interesting to see what happens with resale but as with any mass produced car that is sold to fleets the price will head south.

Im looking at a BA Ghia, 30,000kms for 22k at the moment. !!

So there is some bargins to be had. but looking at the price you can tell they have gone overseas to make the car cheeper.

Full Spectrum · 23-07-2006, 02:49 AM

See hows that price it happens.
My brother just bought last year a 2003 BA Fairmont for $23,000. 45,000km Ex Detective car with sports suspension and it did have the cop settings till ford reset the ECU. He isn't to impressed with the price drops of late, He really isn't happy with it at all. He wants a Phoon

outback_ute · 23-07-2006, 09:26 AM

I think they will have upset existing owners left right & centre, they have basically downgraded the Berlina, Calais and SS by making them the equivalent of the Acclaim, Berlina and SV8 in the VZ. Calais and SS are $8k less than the VZ sticker price. Of course they say they haven't lost equipment - or is it that they haven't gained as much as they would otherwise have done. Remember back to the EB Fairmont, it basically had the equipment of the EA Ghia. And that is on top of the "normal" new-gen car effect...

irsa76 · 23-07-2006, 07:39 PM

Yeah I noticed that. Decontent, or hold it at the same level, then hit them with a new up spec model with all the fruit the original normally would have gotten for much bigger $. And to hell with the wagon buyer since the only people who buy wagons are fleets anyway.