I am throwing down the gauntlet!!!

**Stav** · 15-10-2006, 12:29 AM

Well tonight I decided to go for it 100% .I am aiming at the 13 second bracket from here on in .My plans will take a few months but I dont see why no one has reached the 13 second bracket.All the dilly dally ,dancing girls and then what? No ones done it.Bah!!

Will I do it is anyones guess but there you go.Is anyone else trying ?

TwistedEL · 15-10-2006, 12:33 AM

Someone was talking about this a while back now. I think it was Casper? GO FOR IT MAN

Damo · 15-10-2006, 12:59 AM

how do you plan on getting there is the question ? Getting rid or that DEV4 would be the first step.

stiddy · 15-10-2006, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Damo

Getting rid or that DEV4 would be the first step.

I second that!!

Go for it stav.. Good luck..

: time for a rebuild, blower, 4000stall and 4.11's

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DOC · 15-10-2006, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by useless

.All the dilly dally ,dancing girls and then what? No ones done it.Bah!!

Well stav, wind that puppy up and slap it on the ar$e, and lets see it dance the quick step down the qtr.

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JC · 15-10-2006, 02:26 AM

Essiest way to get there is via Turbo. Low boost snort kit works out roughly the same cost as doing heaps of NA work, but car will be less stressed and more reliable and streetable. A 13 second NA I6 would be an animal to drive on the streets (read, not comfortable). A 13 second Turbo I6 would be a doddle when you want to be, and quick when unleashed.

Casper · 15-10-2006, 06:17 AM

Dan got Mals old AU into the 12's ages ago. All been done before with turbo's etc. Its a 13 second NA that I'm interested in.

Racecraft · 15-10-2006, 06:47 AM

I'm hoping for 13.9999999999 with 7.5psi boost from my Powerdyne... that would do me and my poor t5 too :P

Casper · 15-10-2006, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Racecraft

I'm hoping for 13.9999999999 with 7.5psi boost from my Powerdyne... that would do me and my poor t5 too :P

With a 15 flat NA I think you will get a pleasent suprise then. Mid 13's are more likely once the blower is on.

**Stav** · 15-10-2006, 08:23 AM

I am after 13 second normally aspirated guys. My pb before my pb was 15.192. !! All i did was an intake and a hybrid 3/ 2/1/2 inch exhaust which I designed ,then retune and was running consistent 14.8's and pb of 14.77 and the new lsd was rooted and being a single spinner. .The difference is .422 of a second with no engine changes.

Dyno readings though..I dont trust them at all.With both of my progressive pb's the car dynoed at the same dyno with 131 rwkws despite a .422 second difference. On croydens dyno I pulled 147.8 rwkws at the same times.I am aiming at 160 on this dyno.
My gtech has been the best predictor of my times by the 0-100 readings.For me to run a 13.8-13.77 my gtech should give me an unstalled time 0-100km of 6.53 seconds.
The dev 4 cam is an awesome cam when tuned right.It took 3 different ones to tune my car to make it work perfectly. This motor now is the second motor in the car and is a crap au2 motor.I know the au1's definately get the better cylinder heads.Despite this the wagon is great fun to drive and just flies whe I plant it.I even still think of not doing it at all cause its so bloody good.

I dont believe that I have to rebuild the engine to get into the 13's or as near as .The head is half finished and I ported it myself from a porting book.
My engine is taking water in so its time to pull my finger out for the fateful day the au dies with a head gasket leak.

I am looking at this a few ways..I can leave the cam,do the head.I can get a bigger cam and go for more mph .
Or I can do the head and new cam.Or I can replace the head bolts before the gasket leak and the car will last for a few more years.

The dev 4 is a power plant which gets up to 99 mph on manual cars.So this is more than enough to do a 13.For true power comparison to an auto xr6 with xorst my dev 4 pulls 6-7 more rwkws on the same day same dyno.

The only difference to this car as to others is it is a genuine work/family car.It wont be getting gears that annoy me at freeway speeds nor a cam which idles like its having a heart attack.It is my goal to have comfort and power..not a full drag setup on the street so a manual is out!!

I may do the head and see if the dev 4 likes it first.If it doesnt talk dirty to me then in goes something else.

Casper · 15-10-2006, 08:44 AM

Get that new head on, a retune and get to the track Stav. Lots of us are interested in the results.

**Stav** · 15-10-2006, 08:55 AM

The results will hopefully be good.Alot have gone backwards with thoughts of granduer. I will take my time with it because as you know it all costs money and time to get it right.The immediate work I am thinking without doing the head could be a simple 600 dollar exercise. I wont say I will do a 13 second pass but I have a goal of 13 seconds in my heart because I think its doable..this is my goal.

To do mods then rush is a bad way to do it.If somethiing does work gtech will tell me.It is a hard judge that gtech but its a truthful one.It tells me if I have stuffed up or not.

**Stav** · 15-10-2006, 09:14 AM

I really really dont like being overtaken by m3 bmw's or manual turbo xr6t's..I have got to do this. :evilking:

Casper · 15-10-2006, 09:22 AM

I've found your gauntlet

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Bucknaked · 15-10-2006, 09:23 AM

Buy a V8.

**Stav** · 15-10-2006, 09:30 AM

If it works then it will be installed mate.On the back to wave goodbye to those behind me...lol

Maybe with a motor in the middle finger ,switch in the front so that I can occasionally give them the finger

dansedgli · 15-10-2006, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Casper

Dan got Mals old AU into the 12's ages ago. All been done before with turbo's etc. Its a 13 second NA that I'm interested in.

*cough* 11's *cough*

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Good luck with it Stav!

**Stav** · 15-10-2006, 10:03 AM

Thanks Casper had to check if it is ok to show my gauntlet

jonbays · 15-10-2006, 10:08 AM

13.99 type 13's from a N/A AU!!

It's not so easy for a street registered daily driver. Not for a heavy LWB wagon.

you have been real lucky to get half second improvemnets at a time mostly its tenths backward and two tenths forward stuff.

If you keep the wagon streetable its just too heavy and you will need more power than is likely N/A.

Sapper · 15-10-2006, 10:11 AM

'On ya useless! Hopefully you'll put the I6 where it belongs and reveal the secret to unlocking its potential! A tech doco for it would be cool when you get there...

ratter · 15-10-2006, 10:22 AM

Good luck with your endeavours, I can relate as I chased my quest to become the first unopened Boss into the 11's, a quest that many thought would not happen as it was only months earlier people were trying to get a Boss into the 12's.

Good luck

**Stav** · 15-10-2006, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ratter

Good luck with your endeavours, I can relate as I chased my quest to become the first unopened Boss into the 11's, a quest that many thought would not happen as it was only months earlier people were trying to get a Boss into the 12's.

Good luck

Thanks mate.I think you only stop when you believe there is nothing left to improve on..I think theres more there.If I get the thing into the 13's ill write a book on it and sell it.

**Stav** · 15-10-2006, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jonbays

13.99 type 13's from a N/A AU!!

It's not so easy for a street registered daily driver. Not for a heavy LWB wagon.

you have been real lucky to get half second improvemnets at a time mostly its tenths backward and two tenths forward stuff.

If you keep the wagon streetable its just too heavy and you will need more power than is likely N/A.

Jonbays its not only the power.Its the setup.Guys have to concentrate on the fattest power in the usable range.No point having alot of power were it cant be used/

xr8ute · 15-10-2006, 12:08 PM

I believe you can do it Stav, stick with it buddy

jones_aus · 15-10-2006, 12:21 PM

ever had a run with slicks?

**Stav** · 15-10-2006, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by xr8ute

I believe you can do it Stav, stick with it buddy

Thanks Dave..I believe it is gonna happen too but its gonna take luck and some elbow grease.I am relying heavily on my headwork and further intake exhaust mods to make it happen. I honestly have never seen bigger ports on an i6 head before definately not on ed-el heads.. and whats better is it flowed well.

It all looks good on paper though..flow figures,dynos and fairy floss!When the chips are down the timeslip says the truth..

Hopefully the next 10 months of my R&D may well pay off.But as I mentioned earlier..dont like manual xr6t's or m3 bmw's passing me.

jonbays · 15-10-2006, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by useless

Jonbays its not only the power.Its the setup.Guys have to concentrate on the fattest power in the usable range.No point having alot of power were it cant be used/

I know your setup is tops beats my wagon over the qtr hands down but i still reckon my engine is giving me more power just can't get it where i need it when i want it.

GK · 15-10-2006, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JC

Essiest way to get there is via Turbo. Low boost snort kit works out roughly the same cost as doing heaps of NA work, but car will be less stressed and more reliable and streetable.

A 13 second NA I6 would be an animal to drive on the streets (read, not comfortable). A 13 second Turbo I6 would be a doddle when you want to be, and quick when unleashed.

Quite good points I reckon. Having a daily driver with a double personality would be awesome!

I know Casper's after all that in NA form and good on him for going for it, but there's nothing wrong with going the turbo route either IMO!

All the best with your decisions!

GK

**Stav** · 15-10-2006, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jonbays

I know your setup is tops beats my wagon over the qtr hands down but i still reckon my engine is giving me more power just can't get it where i need it when i want it.

My car has not got as much power as yours at peak,This is something I am going to address. However for the past few months it goes really well on a streetable level.I think it is running out of puff for a few reasons...Firstly, the valve springs need to be stiffer,secondly the head needs work ,thirdly is that the cam is not good enough to make the power. All too often it is easy to blame the cam when other things need sorting first.So I will sort it out as the months tick by.

**FTE217** · 15-10-2006, 03:59 PM

Good luck to you Stav,I like your positive outlook !
If I can be of any help don't hesitate to call.