H*lden Captive Diesel - Now Out

Fair302 · 19-04-2007, 09:12 PM

What can I say they did it again! Or should I say? Ford didn't do anything... till it was left behind...again!

Force6 · 19-04-2007, 09:27 PM

They also say on the new add "25% more fuel efficient then the Ford Territory". Or am I just slow.

Dezza · 19-04-2007, 09:28 PM

It's still just a rebadged Daepoo. Nothing to get too excited about

XplodE · 19-04-2007, 09:33 PM

Petrol territory at that, I don't recon there would be many diesel powered cars that wouldnt be more fuel efficient then petrol power in the same car, otherwise what would the point be of having diesel?

Green X · 19-04-2007, 09:43 PM

woops posted in the wrong thread... Excuse me

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ClevlndStemer · 19-04-2007, 11:22 PM

Good on Holden, they're reacting well to the market and taking every opportunity they can. At least they're giving it a go, what has Ford really brought to the market in the last 2 or so years? Oh thats right, new sticker sets for the FPV's.

csv8 · 19-04-2007, 11:37 PM

Repost..I posted this a few days ago. I agree FORD need to get their act together. The marketting dept really suxs. AND Tezza should have had a diesel from day 1.

**Mechan1k** · 20-04-2007, 08:20 AM

The thing is though ... the Captiva is 25% smaller than the Territory as well. So it's not all that good on economy ... I would have expected it to be 50% more economical than the Territory.

Would be interesting to see the real world economy figures on it ... not just initial speculation.

Smoke Pursuit · 20-04-2007, 09:18 AM

Oh and its a shitbox to drive with a substandard interior and terrible controls.

I know what id prefer, and it would probarly use 50% more fuel (turbo Territory)

csv8 · 20-04-2007, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by LSTerritoryGhia

Oh and its a shitbox to drive with a substandard interior and terrible controls.

I know what id prefer, and it would probarly use 50% more fuel (turbo Territory)

RACQ magazine April-May issue. " Captiva range ranks as its best arrival from GM Daewoo. However, its weaknesses include build quality and practicality, economy and ride." says it all !!!!

bathurst77 · 20-04-2007, 11:27 AM

IF diesel costs 20-25% more then petrol, wheres the saving?

Force6 · 20-04-2007, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bathurst77

IF diesel costs 20-25% more then petrol, wheres the saving?

But it doesn't cost 20-25% more... I haven't seen diesel prices above ten cents more then petrol for ages.... Diesel is still definately the way to go...

aualright · 20-04-2007, 05:35 PM

I also found it interesting how they attempted to place this piece of crap in the same market as the revered Territory. HAving just recently purchased a Ghia, I can't wrap the car enough.

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**Falcon Coupe** · 20-04-2007, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Fair302

What can I say they did it again! Or should I say? Ford didn't do anything... till it was left behind...again!

The Territory was designed when petrol was 70 cents a litre, no need for diesel then.

uranium_death · 20-04-2007, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ea_silver_ghia

It's still just a rebadged Daepoo. Nothing to get too excited about

Don't underestimate figures.

People creamed themselves when Holden released all these sexy commercials about the VE COmmodore when in reality, the BFII is not far behind at all.

People cream over the Toyota Corolla and however reliable it is, it promotes turning to stone behind the wheel.

The fact is that at the moment as people's minds warp and become befuddled with panic, they'll choose crap over something that resembles quality or style.

So I think you'll see a few Captivas sold.

A lot of people will not the RACQ article.

S3SR · 20-04-2007, 07:01 PM

yeah but its still a holden! or daepoo...haha jokes
that ad sucks then so does that makes you feel like your not driving a truck ad from ford...

anyways anyone here with marketing experience PLEASE apply for the top job at FORD before they go overseas and go bust over there.... DO IT DO IT

Steve · 20-04-2007, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Force6

They also say on the new add "25% more fuel efficient then the Ford Territory". Or am I just slow.

I found that a bit odd as well. I can't remember the last time Holden actually named Ford in their ads. Cheap shot I think.

Feathers · 20-04-2007, 10:08 PM

Well there is a diesel Focus or Fiesta coming out soon. A friend at Ford mentioned the other day...

Deadman · 20-04-2007, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by aualright

I also found it interesting how they attempted to place this piece of crap in the same market as the revered Territory. HAving just recently purchased a Ghia, I can't wrap the car enough.

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And Ford will do nothing to sway the public opinion that the Captiva is in the same 'class' and is a direct competitor for the Territory. Maybe on paper, but in reality we know they are miles apart. However - Joe Bloggs comsumer won't, and Ford's shithouse marketing attempts won't do anything to proove it.

Richmalbill · 20-04-2007, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve

I found that a bit odd as well. I can't remember the last time Holden actually named Ford in their ads. Cheap shot I think.

Definately a cheap shot, but also not actually that impressive either. The car is considerably smaller and lighter and its engine displaces half that of the Territory and is a diesel, 25 percent improvement is not that great really.

Moreover the engine in my opinion that is most likely to go in the Territory, the 2.7 V6 from the Discovery achieves 9.4 l/100 km in the massive Discovery 3. In the lighter Territory this would improve greatly to perhaps 8.5 or better. Whilst the Captiva is still better at 7.6, just check the figures. 110Kw vs 140kw whilst in the torque, it is 320Nm vs 440Nm.

The Territory with this motor would be a bloody steam train!

The trouble is of course that the Captiva diesel is in the showroom now!

ltd · 21-04-2007, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Deadman

And Ford will do nothing to sway the public opinion that the Captiva is in the same 'class' and is a direct competitor for the Territory. Maybe on paper, but in reality we know they are miles apart. However - Joe Bloggs comsumer won't, and Ford's shithouse marketing attempts won't do anything to proove it.

Well lets get together for the good of the brand and do our own ad for ford. It can be the "Anti Captiva" ad.
I've got an idea so follow me.

A camera pans out of a long shot of the horizon to a korean flag, and than pans out further to show a Holden flag flying next to it.
As the camera moves back toward ground we see a giant factory with DAEWOO INC splashed on it.
Camera starts moving in toward the building and we see a little man with big glasses and a grey suit on going "Ohhhh Herrroooo!" - It's Kim Jong Il, and he says "I cannot Berrieve Austrarians buy Howrden from here. Herroooo!"
Then we go off screen to show the Holden model line up, then show the video of the Barina crash test. Back to Kim Jong Il, "We not tewrr anyone..... Now get da *** outta here".

I think it might educate a few people.

Hunter · 21-04-2007, 01:39 AM

Ahhh people people people.... you're forgetting that the motoring public is dumb as a bag of hammers! These same retards buy the new Barina... even after it scored the worst ever NCAP rating for a car sold in Australia!

Let them have their cake and when they choke on it, you can point and laugh.

ltd · 21-04-2007, 06:33 AM

Have you seen the Barinas? Woff
A daepoo for holden money, especially when Holden drivers on average tend to be less safe than say a Mercedes driver; the last thing they need is cars that fail the crash test.
Anyone who wants to buy a Korean cross over should look at the Trajet (pronounced tragedy), and not the skinny and tall Daepoo/Bogan/Holden hunk a ****.

See you guys in a couple of days; I'm off to work.

ThoR_ · 21-04-2007, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Force6

They also say on the new add "25% more fuel efficient then the Ford Territory". Or am I just slow.

Yeh they do, is that legal?

Force6 · 21-04-2007, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoR_

Yeh they do, is that legal?

I'm sure its legal haha, but it is a cheapshot, especially when people don't know the other facts (Territory is bigger etc.)

AU-MUSTD · 21-04-2007, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Hunter

Ahhh people people people.... you're forgetting that the motoring public is dumb as a bag of hammers! These same retards buy the new Barina... even after it scored the worst ever NCAP rating for a car sold in Australia!

Let them have their cake and when they choke on it, you can point and laugh.

Putting the barina in the same mould as captiva means you are also cut from the same bag of hammers. This hear hammer decided against the territory on the facts ( unlike your fantasies) of my dad's two territories that rattled and fell apart before his eye's with ford's usual denial. Captiva has scored an excellent euro safety rating and with esp, awd,tcs,arp,abs,ebd,ba,curtain air bags ect... the captiva is currently miles ahead of the terrie on passive and active safety. After 5,500 klms of trouble free motoring my cake is tasting sweeter everyday and the only one laughing is me.

Hunter · 21-04-2007, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by AU-MUSTD

Putting the barina in the same mould as captiva means you are also cut from the same bag of hammers. This hear hammer decided against the territory on the facts ( unlike your fantasies) of my dad's two territories that rattled and fell apart before his eye's with ford's usual denial. Captiva has scored an excellent euro safety rating and with esp, awd,tcs,arp,abs,ebd,ba,curtain air bags ect... the captiva is currently miles ahead of the terrie on passive and active safety. After 5,500 klms of trouble free motoring my cake is tasting sweeter everyday and the only one laughing is me.

I think you missed the point, which was that the motoring public, by and large, is dumb and will not let facts get in the way of their decision.

I'm not comparing the Barina to the Captiva - I'm saying that even though the Barina scored very very badly in crash tests, people ignore that and will still buy it because its CHEAP and "looks nice". Same principle applies to the Captiva's marketing bullcrap which basically says "ZOMG TEH TERRITORYSSS IS TEH GAS GUZZLERS!!1111 OMG ROFLCOPTER AND TEH CAPTIVA IS 25% MORE EFFICIENT!!!$111". They ignore the fact that yes ok its more fuel efficient but it also has an engine which is half the size of the one that comes with the Territory AND is a smaller vehicle!

Anyway, you missed my point and if you think the motoring public is smart then... well, you go your way and I'll go mine.

ltd · 25-04-2007, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by AU-MUSTD

Putting the barina in the same mould as captiva means you are also cut from the same bag of hammers. This hear hammer decided against the territory on the facts ( unlike your fantasies) of my dad's two territories that rattled and fell apart before his eye's with ford's usual denial. Captiva has scored an excellent euro safety rating and with esp, awd,tcs,arp,abs,ebd,ba,curtain air bags ect... the captiva is currently miles ahead of the terrie on passive and active safety. After 5,500 klms of trouble free motoring my cake is tasting sweeter everyday and the only one laughing is me.

Personally, I find what you're saying hard to believe.
If indeed you had two territories that fell apart I'd say that it was more of a dealer/servicing problem than anything else. What I mean is, the territory has received rave reviews from owners and motoring journo's whilst maintaining an excellent resale value, far higher than that of the falcon. That you had two with problems I don't doubt, but that you had two falling apart is a bit rich.

As for the captiva, they are two different vehicles (regardless of what Holden think), and one has german and american engineering, the other korean.
Wait until the daewoo captiva starts to require servicing, wait until you take it to a holden dealership for warranty repairs and wait until you try to resell it.
Then tell us about how your captiva craps all over a locally designed and built proud Australian product instead of Kim Jong Il's b|tch. (Yes I'm aware of Kim being from North Korea and daepoo being from South Korea)

new2ford · 25-04-2007, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AU-MUSTD

Putting the barina in the same mould as captiva means you are also cut from the same bag of hammers. the captiva is currently miles ahead of the terrie on passive and active safety.

I don't think the jury has even met on that one. With secondary safety you'll need to look at NCAP results when they come out, and with primary safety (more important) you'll have to wait for a Wheels WASP test. Lets just say the Captiva has its design against it with a narrower track relative to body height which would produce a greater tendancy to roll over (less stability) than the Territory. GM seems to have recognised this risk by promoting some sort of 'anti rollover' feature - something that is not really necessary in the Territory.

GMH might like to think its a Territory competitor but its more in the RAV4 category. The narrower body counts against it relative to the Territory - try seating 3 adults across the second row or try fitting a baby capsule and two child seats in the 2nd row, then try in the Territory. Territory is a family car, Captiva is for young dinks.