Gestapo Police

XR8Master · 12-05-2007, 01:10 PM

Is it just me or do you get in trouble for farting while in a car now ?

Admittedly we all (or at least most of us) have a time or two where we do something stupid in a car that is bad, perhaps very bad, and as a result we are caught and get a fine by the police (ok sweet as) But now I am almost to scared to even start my car for fear of being prosecuted, driving down the main street off town seems like a 50/50 luck of the draw, (will I be pulled over today or not ?)

Two days ago I was fined $240 and 2 demerit points for doing an overtaking manoeuver on a 2 lane road because of a 90 year old driver in his broken kingswood traveling at 25km/h (all the while keeping under the 60km/h speed limit) The police man said it was an illegal act because while preforming this manoeuver he could for a second, perhaps two hear the faint "note" coming from my car, Yet my exhaust is within the 90db regulations. What about all the other vehicles that are twice as loud ? a Turbo Diesel 4WD ? I come no where near there sound, yet Its the V8 driver who is singled out along with the skyline up the road for "willfully" doing this, that or the other.

I can't help but feel that the law has reached a bias extreme.

FPV8U · 12-05-2007, 01:17 PM

What exactly were you fined for?

You don't lose points for your car being to loud, well not that i know of.

SirHenry · 12-05-2007, 01:20 PM

Firstly what state are we talking here? Qld, NSW, VIC?

What was the official charge? You can't fine someone just for hearing an exhaust note if he is fining you for speeding fair enough, what speed was I doing? If he is fining you for an illegal overtaking manoeuver in what regards, did you cross a solid line?

Dude you can't fine someone for an exhaust note so long as it complies within sound limits, you could be just on the side of the road revving it in neutral, Query the ticket with the police station, it does smell like the ticket could be invalid, but I haven't seen the ticket...

Good luck.

XR8Master · 12-05-2007, 01:21 PM

Code 2297 Wilfully drive a vehicle in a way that makes unnecessary noise

holmsy · 12-05-2007, 01:24 PM

sounds like a load of crap.

id be contesting it.

would they prefer you go nice and slow while you pass and end up in a head on.

XR8Master · 12-05-2007, 01:25 PM

This is the 4th time I have received this ticket. I have heard this is a popular one in this region. I live in Hervey Bay - Qld

FPV8U · 12-05-2007, 01:28 PM

If you know your car is under the limit, then challenge it and when it goes to court and your car is tested you will be fine.

But you would want to be sure.

**Full Noise** · 12-05-2007, 01:29 PM

Well instead of being Mr Anonymous, why don’t you have a little more info on yourself in the user CP?

Like:
Your location
Your age
Your car type

All of this is relevant when discussing situations like this. For all we know you could be some baseball cap wearing, P plater driving some riced up POS with cannon exhausts and ****er spotlights that stay on all day annoying people.

Or is this another cop bashing thread in disguise?

Edit. Beaten to it by other members.

XR8Master · 12-05-2007, 01:32 PM

I have never been charged with speeding yet somehow I have occurred 12 demerit points in the past year, they always give you fines for something stupid like "not sufficiency indicating" , or "willfully blah blah"

SirHenry · 12-05-2007, 01:34 PM

Dude, go down to the police station and make a formal complaint about this ticket. Ask them first in what way was it unnessary noise? The ticket says "unnecessary noise" explain to them that it was necessary in order safely overtake the vehicle short of that if there is still no satisfaction if it was me I'd be calling the CMC to lodge a formal complaint over the matter.

jaydee · 12-05-2007, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XR8Master

Is it just me or do you get in trouble for farting while in a car now ?

Admittedly we all (or at least most of us) have a time or two where we do something stupid in a car that is bad, perhaps very bad, and as a result we are caught and get a fine by the police (ok sweet as) But now I am almost to scared to even start my car for fear of being prosecuted, driving down the main street off town seems like a 50/50 luck of the draw, (will I be pulled over today or not ?)

Two days ago I was fined $240 and 2 demerit points for doing an overtaking manoeuver on a 2 lane road because of a 90 year old driver in his broken kingswood traveling at 25km/h (all the while keeping under the 60km/h speed limit) The police man said it was an illegal act because while preforming this manoeuver he could for a second, perhaps two hear the faint "note" coming from my car, Yet my exhaust is within the 90db regulations. What about all the other vehicles that are twice as loud ? a Turbo Diesel 4WD ? I come no where near there sound, yet Its the V8 driver who is singled out along with the skyline up the road for "willfully" doing this, that or the other.

I can't help but feel that the law has reached a bias extreme.

You say you were done for an overtaking manoeuvre, what does this mean, you didn't signal properly, it was double lines, you cut back in, you forced on oncoming car to take evasive action?
You need to be a bit more specific so people here know what you're on about.

In relation to the so called noise your car makes isn't that a defect notice if it's as bad as the Police reckon, I know you can get fined for excessive noise too so was this what happened?

holmsy · 12-05-2007, 01:40 PM

he was fined for the noise not for overtaking.

sexr6tasy · 12-05-2007, 01:42 PM

i would contest the fine, the judge will most likely think the police singled u out, and hear your case, you can get the points removed and it only costs an extra 100 bucks.

XR8Master · 12-05-2007, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Full Noise

Well instead of being Mr Anonymous, why don’t you have a little more info on yourself in the user CP?

Like:
Your location
Your age
Your car type

All of this is relevant when discussing situations like this. For all we know you could be some baseball cap wearing, P plater driving some riced up POS with cannon exhausts and ****er spotlights that stay on all day annoying people.

Or is this another cop bashing thread in disguise?

Edit. Beaten to it by other members.

I live in Hervey Bay - Qld
I am 20
I drive an EB falcon - hardly rice
I don't wear baseball caps
I dont have a cannon ball exhaust
I am not an unemployed yobbo
I AM self employed earning 50+k and travel a lot for work
Im not sure what you mean by ****er spotlights so I won't answer that question

Do you have anymore stereotypes for me ?

sexr6tasy · 12-05-2007, 01:46 PM

basically u can also take your car and basically show the court or your local police how loud your exhaust is and get the ticket removed, but in order to get the whole fine removed you will have to get a lawyer and go to court over it, i would seriously not stand for this. If something feels wrong, don't succumb to it fight it, thats my motto.If your going to lose your license for this, i would just recommend contesting it, going to court and asking for the points removed.I know exactly how you feel though, its getting like that down here, stupidly insane, i actually hate driving to work and to my friends place out of fear they will make some crap up.

XR8Master · 12-05-2007, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaydee

You say you were done for an overtaking manoeuvre, what does this mean, you didn't signal properly, it was double lines, you cut back in, you forced on oncoming car to take evasive action?
You need to be a bit more specific so people here know what you're on about.

In relation to the so called noise your car makes isn't that a defect notice if it's as bad as the Police reckon, I know you can get fined for excessive noise too so was this what happened?

I was traveling on a double lane road behind another car, I changed to the right lane (which was free) and moved back into the left lane again (in front of the vehicle I was prevously behind, The robocop didn't have any problem with my manoeuvre (or my speed of 55km/h), just with the note produced from my car, caused by the acceleration of moving to the right lane and back into the left.

A typical case of a cop collecting his morning revenue before it was smoko time.

**Full Noise** · 12-05-2007, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XR8Master

I live in Hervey Bay - Qld
I am 20
I drive an EB falcon - hardly rice
I don't wear baseball caps
I dont have a cannon ball exhaust
I am not an unemployed yobbo
I AM self employed earning 50+k and travel a lot for work
Im not sure what you mean by ****er spotlights so I won't answer that question

Do you have anymore stereotypes for me ?

I don’t have any other stereotypes for you, sweetheart, however, I’ll give you a little bit of free advice.

You come on to a public forum posting a sob story about being picked on by the cops. You have 26 posts to date and as far as I’m concerned, you could be another person that signs up just to stir the pot.

You have absolutely no information about yourself, as I have stated which to thinking people either tells us that you have something to hide or you’re not telling us the whole story.

If you intend to post stories like this, it’s usually a good idea to give as much info as possible so people can give detailed advice and save all of these useless posts asking what town you live in, car you drive etc.

Edit: Do you think that you are the only 20 year old ever to get the rough end of the pineapple from a copper? We’ve all had to put up with this in our younger days. It’s a fact of life that you’d better get used to.

holmsy · 12-05-2007, 02:00 PM

probably a law put in so they can dog people for accelerating to quick.

even know i was told by a cop that it is perfectly legal to accelerate as fast as you like as long as it is done without wheel spin and completely in control and safe.

SirHenry · 12-05-2007, 02:03 PM

Call the CMC (crime and misconduct commission) and explain to them what has happened and how you feel you have been unfairly victimised and see what they have to say.

Or call into the police station and get the ticket null and void on the grounds that the noise was necessary, as opposed to unnecessary, in order to overtake a much slower vehicle. If they still won't void it ask them to explain what the charge is. Personally I'd still go the CMC its what it is there for to protect the good cops and sort out the cowboys.

Bill_R · 12-05-2007, 02:10 PM

How many "noise control devices" fitted as standard on the vehicle and how many do you currently have?
The dbA limit is one regualtion. Another is that you can't have less than the factory number of noise control devices on the vehicle. To have less or to have any noise control device rendered inoperative is to have a defective exhaust system. this is for NSW regs but I'd assume it was similar where you are. Now, you could contest it but might then possibly get a defect and a fine for driving a defective vehicle.
They didn't catch you on this but be aware that these rules exist.

XR8Master · 12-05-2007, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Full Noise

I don’t have any other stereotypes for you, sweetheart, however, I’ll give you a little bit of free advice.

You come on to a public forum posting a sob story about being picked on by the cops. You have 26 posts to date and as far as I’m concerned, you could be another person that signs up just to stir the pot.

You have absolutely no information about yourself, as I have stated which to thinking people either tells us that you have something to hide or you’re not telling us the whole story.

If you intend to post stories like this, it’s usually a good idea to give as much info as possible so people can give detailed advice and save all of these useless posts asking what town you live in, car you drive etc.

Edit: Do you think that you are the only 20 year old ever to get the rough end of the pineapple from a copper? We’ve all had to put up with this in our younger days. It’s a fact of life that you’d better get used to.

I did not realise that my story had to be accompanyed with an autobiography of myself, I merely stated the events and how they unfolded

OLDFORDNUT · 12-05-2007, 02:28 PM

was it mr wall on a motorbike who got you?

Walkinshaw · 12-05-2007, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XR8Master

I did not realise that my story had to be accompanyed with an autobiography of myself,

You aren't required to provide an autobiography mate. Some people on here just can't seem grasp the conception that a lack of personal information in your CP does not instantly mean that you are someone who has simply signed up to undertake some cop bashing. They seem to then resort to linking you to a group of stereotypes due to the lack of information. I'd just use the forums inbuilt ignore feature with them.

MeLLy · 12-05-2007, 02:35 PM

Exactly! I did not think you had to spell out everything about yourself when you sign up on a forum, this is the internet not a meet & greet.It would be pretty stupid of someone to purposely do a "hoon" move and get fined for it, then to come on here and post about it to get some sympathy you have gotta be pretty pathetic for someone to do that. What happened to people reading someone else's thread and thinking yeah i will offer this guy some nice advice because it comes down to the old fashion saying; if you don't have something nice to say then don't say anything at all.I think everyone is becoming all the more aware that the police are simply "picking on anything" to raise some funds they don't need & that means picking on anything and everything.I know exactly how this person feels as i have been singled out time and time again. SA is becoming as ridiculous as other states and because we don't get to vote the rules in or out, its becoming un-fair I'm sure one day when you are picked on for the smallest thing you will feel the same un-fairness that this guy is feeling. I'm telling you now, fully licensed drivers are not exempt from the law and they're are a lot of them out there that make up the percentage of hoons.I'm sick of stereotypes...

FPV8U · 12-05-2007, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Full Noise

Edit: Do you think that you are the only 20 year old ever to get the rough end of the pineapple from a copper? We’ve all had to put up with this in our younger days. It’s a fact of life that you’d better get used to.

Just because it's the way it is Danny doesn't mean its the way it should be, the law is losing all the respect it once had from people my age and it's going to take a big change in there aproach to earn it back.

GT-E · 12-05-2007, 02:42 PM

It is funny that Full noise does not practice what he preaches.
How about you fill out some details, before you give grief to another forum member.

As for the fine, I would have filled out the court election with the cops pen, they really do not like this. Eventually they will get the message that minor traffic infringements are only revenu rasing and that there are much more productive enforcement tasks they could be doing.

AUIII · 12-05-2007, 02:52 PM

Where was this Policeman a few weeks back?

I camped at a hervey bay caravan park on the esplanade, and on the Friday night a Ricer with a massive fart cannon and playing the same doof doof song spent the whole night driving from end to the other.

Now that was willfully driving a vehicle in a way that makes unnecessary noise.

If as you say your exhaust is legal and your were not speeding it seems to be quite harsh , I don’t know how you will go contesting it good luck though

conordec · 12-05-2007, 03:01 PM

the guys in hervey do actually get alot of the rice burners... especially on a friday night and sat night i have been told in hervey bay.
the funny thing is, they just watch, take the plate and follow up later.

honestly though, if you think your car is perfectly fine and legal, and your father is nearby, ask him to accompany you to the station as support, not to cry for you, (officer will then know you speak to your father about these things and don't hide mistakes) but i feel if you talk to officer in charge and don't be an arrogant pig or moan, just ask calmly the facts and show your car etc you will be listened to.

i was pulled over a month ago there, but the cop just wanted to give me a heads up on a few cars that had been stolen recently in the area, was very nice to me, and complimented me on my car. i thanked him and he just said, enjoy your car.

good luck and let us know how you go.

mick.

**Full Noise** · 12-05-2007, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XR8Master

I did not realise that my story had to be accompanyed with an autobiography of myself, I merely stated the events and how they unfolded

Let me draw you a diagram. You posted a sob story and left more holes in it than a block of Swiss cheese. Why?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZapXR6T

It is funny that Full noise does not practice what he preaches.
How about you fill out some details, before you give grief to another forum member.

OK, Captain Typhoon,
It’s pretty obvious that I live in Melbourne (see location) and there’s no guessing my occupation as it in the user CP. Admittedly I’ve forgotten to put in my age, however, I’ll admit that I’m 38. All of this would be relevant if I were to post a thread of similar content. I only asked for some basic info to be added. If you have a look at post #8 and read it, or get someone to explain it to you, you’d understand. I do not care for this person’s weight, jock size or how many zits he has on his face.

Do you think that this police officer would have acted the same way if it were a 55 year old property developer in a $300,000 AMG Mercedes Benz?

XR8Master · 12-05-2007, 03:17 PM

I have been told that the Wide Bay police need to "lift there game" beacuse they are not issusing enough traffic infringements compared to other regions, I didn't realise there was a benchmark for who writes the most tickets, Does the officer who makes the most revenue get a Well Done sticker from peter beatie each year ?