Lowering AU Fairmont

NYTEYZ · 27-10-2008, 11:40 AM

Hey guys, I'm lowering my Series II Fairmont with Kings Superlows and Shortend shocks, I'll Have 18's on it when i get it done but is there anything else i will need to do?? eg. Camber kit?

Thanks for the help
John

**Mont5.0** · 27-10-2008, 11:46 AM

i went superlows with 18" on my mont. No castor kit required here.

NYTEYZ · 27-10-2008, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mont5.0

i went superlows with 18" on my mont. No castor kit required here.

How much did the superlows drop the car?

RG · 27-10-2008, 12:08 PM

Mines on Sl's all round and I didn't need a camber kit, however there is only one bloke I know that can actually get the alignment right without one. Most places say I need one.

I also have caught a guard with 245/40/18's on the front and I have to be careful with the 245/35/19's I have now, getting the front guards rolled might be an idea.

blueoval · 27-10-2008, 03:49 PM

NYTEYZ - I am assuming you dont have IRS rear end. Do you have any pics of your car?

I am also interested in have a similar setup like yours with same diameter wheel.

HLC · 27-10-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by blueoval

NYTEYZ - I am assuming you dont have IRS rear end. Do you have any pics of your car?

I am also interested in have a similar setup like yours with same diameter wheel.

check out Mont5.0's car in the workshop build sction for pics of that combo.

blueoval · 27-10-2008, 04:17 PM

thanks henry

mattp · 27-10-2008, 06:30 PM

Same story here, I've got King Superlow with shortened shocks and haven't needed any camber kits. I've had 17, 18 and 19" wheels on there without a drama. If you want to see how it sits check out my build thread, there's plenty of photos in there. I haven't had any problems with scraping at all either, except when there's a couple of big blokes in the back (and even then it's just mudguards). Cheers.

blueoval · 27-10-2008, 08:41 PM

thats good to know matt. thanks.

Sorry to steal ya thread John

b2tf · 27-10-2008, 08:58 PM

I on the other hand will put my hand up and say that I would not lower a car without putting a camber kit on. I have one on the XR8 and it is the best thing about the entire suspension setup.

NYTEYZ · 27-10-2008, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by blueoval

thats good to know matt. thanks.

Sorry to steal ya thread John

NP - Mi casa e tu casa.

To all he others thanks for the help, I'll have some picks up in a few days after i get the wheels and then after the suspension is done.

blueoval · 27-10-2008, 10:47 PM

look forward to seeing the pics. ;)

mattp · 28-10-2008, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

I on the other hand will put my hand up and say that I would not lower a car without putting a camber kit on. I have one on the XR8 and it is the best thing about the entire suspension setup.

???

Isn't the main purpose of a camber kit to allow for more adjustment if the 'stock' set-up doesn't go far enough to align the wheels satisfactorily? Therefore if it can be adjusted enough, you don't need one, so what would you gain by putting one on? My understanding is that the main benefit of adding a camber kit is preventing the tyres from scrubbing out on the inside edge, but handling would actually be better in this set-up, with better turn-in. So it's a balance between tyre wear and handling.
So in my case, adjustment was adequate and tyre wear is satisfactory, so would I benefit from adding a camber kit?

Is this a fair assessment? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

MADED-6 · 28-10-2008, 09:14 PM

usualy with a bit of camber u get alot of tram lining as in the car follows lines in the road and will pull a bit but if u dont have that and ur not chewing tyres the it will be fine.
mine with my special springs in it has 2 degree negative camber at all 4 corners and with anything other than stockies tram lines all over the place.
but i will be getting springs shocks and camber kits soon.
cheers josh.

RG · 28-10-2008, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mattp

???

Isn't the main purpose of a camber kit to allow for more adjustment if the 'stock' set-up doesn't go far enough to align the wheels satisfactorily? Therefore if it can be adjusted enough, you don't need one, so what would you gain by putting one on? My understanding is that the main benefit of adding a camber kit is preventing the tyres from scrubbing out on the inside edge, but handling would actually be better in this set-up, with better turn-in. So it's a balance between tyre wear and handling.
So in my case, adjustment was adequate and tyre wear is satisfactory, so would I benefit from adding a camber kit?

Is this a fair assessment? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Nope, you summed it up nicely. Mines the same, don't need it so didn't get it.

blueoval · 29-10-2008, 10:41 AM

I was in 2 minds as to whether I need this or not. But I reckon I'll get the camber kit only if the car needs it.

NYTEYZ · 29-10-2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by blueoval

I was in 2 minds as to whether I need this or not. But I reckon I'll get the camber kit only if the car needs it.

I'm the same.

On another note i finally found someone to fit the suspension this week.

I rang TTF in sunshine and they could do it until i told them the springs were off another car.

TTF: Do we need to order the springs and shocks for you or have already got them?

ME: I already have them, Springs have about 1000km on them, shocks are new.

TTF: sorry we don't install secondhand parts.

ME: What??

TTF: we don't install second hand parts.

ME: *hangs up phone*

**Mont5.0** · 29-10-2008, 11:26 AM

clean the springs up (1000k old shouldn't be that dirty) wrap em in pairs in glad wrap, take em there say thats how you bought them.

NYTEYZ · 29-10-2008, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mont5.0

clean the springs up (1000k old shouldn't be that dirty) wrap em in pairs in glad wrap, take em there say thats how you bought them.

I don't think i could get them much cleaner, they still have the code printed on them, the rears actually still have the lable on them for the code.

blueoval · 29-10-2008, 11:32 AM

I think the reason why they dont like second hands parts is:

a) they dont make any money on them
b) they dont warranty the 2nd hand parts
c) they may have had issues in the past with fitting second hand materials.

Wouldnt let that worry you. Try somewhere else. Any mechanic can do it, it doesnt have to be a wheel mob.

NYTEYZ · 29-10-2008, 11:35 AM

I've a suspension mob in brooklyn doing it tomorrow for $140 all up.

RG · 29-10-2008, 11:40 AM

The problem is you called TTF Sunshine. They are absolute morons there, I nearly got into a fist fight with the manager there because he tried to tell me it was my fault they put the wrong tyres on my car. All I did was go there to swap the Bridgestone GridII's that I had put on at Cheltenham TTF (I had asked for and paid for GIII's) and the bloke at Sunshine said he had a set (Cheltenham organized it). Got there and he tried to put Grid II's on it, then said he was doing me a favour and that I should take them and shut my mouth before he shut it for me.

Sunshine TTF is bad.

blueoval · 29-10-2008, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Russell

The problem is you called TTF Sunshine. They are absolute morons there, I nearly got into a fist fight with the manager there because he tried to tell me it was my fault they put the wrong tyres on my car. All I did was go there to swap the Bridgestone GridII's that I had put on at Cheltenham TTF (I had asked for and paid for GIII's) and the bloke at Sunshine said he had a set (Cheltenham organized it). Got there and he tried to put Grid II's on it, then said he was doing me a favour and that I should take them and shut my mouth before he shut it for me.

Sunshine TTF is bad.

WHAT THE F......???
thats is shocking beahviour. Terrible business practice. Thats sad to see.

John - thats god to see you have found another place. $140 fitted isnt bad. Does that include a wheel align after?

NYTEYZ · 29-10-2008, 11:53 AM

No wheel align with the price, extra $20 which i'll get done

blueoval · 29-10-2008, 12:15 PM

thats cheap for a wheel align. Is that with the same place?

b2tf · 29-10-2008, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mattp

???

Isn't the main purpose of a camber kit to allow for more adjustment if the 'stock' set-up doesn't go far enough to align the wheels satisfactorily? Therefore if it can be adjusted enough, you don't need one, so what would you gain by putting one on? My understanding is that the main benefit of adding a camber kit is preventing the tyres from scrubbing out on the inside edge, but handling would actually be better in this set-up, with better turn-in. So it's a balance between tyre wear and handling.
So in my case, adjustment was adequate and tyre wear is satisfactory, so would I benefit from adding a camber kit?

Is this a fair assessment? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

No you're pretty well spot on. My kits were on the ute before I bought it but I have them adjusted every time I get the wheel alignments done and they do sometimes need a little bit. In my opinion they are a good thing to have if your car is lowered but if, as in your case, there is no need for one, well I probably wouldn't bother either.